glasshouse
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Who needs to change cropping? Just dont use roundup for a very short period
Contractor wont spray field
- Thread starter dundee dave
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if you create drift that damages someone else’s crop it’s your fault.
its like saying your neighbour can’t have a field of coo’s next door coz your bull might jump the fence
Tarw Coch
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Yes, I get that, but if I’m understanding this correctly it might not be apparent at the time that the roundup had affected the spuds, so I would think it would be difficult to prove the next year.
It has been said somewhere further up thread that the roundup could drift for up to one and a half miles in which case the roundup that affected a field of spuds might not be from the field next door depending on weather conditions and wind direction at time of spraying.
Back in the 80s there was a hormone chemical for BL plants call Brittox. It was used on cereals in the spring in Essex and due to a type of weather patern over several nights it lifted off the crop and dropped on market garden greenhouses in in the lea valley suffice to say it was withdrawn.
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Reading this confirms my previous thoughts tattie farmers earn too much money [emoji23]
Very strange response.... you farm your land and you spray your land... that’s like saying , how dare a river be next to your land meaning you can’t fertilise the grass right up to the boundary ..... it’s against the law for a very good reason to spray outside your target area. Or am I missing something?
ollie989898
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Did the heat of the ground or something cause it to volatilise and drift elsewhere?
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I remember hearing of a huge claim in Herefordshire way with blackcurrants being grown for Ribena and a whole field was taken out by a desiccant used on a hot day 20 mile away?
Done masses of spraying on cereals/brassicas/fert/potatoes with the same sprayers being used on them all, often in the same day And sometimes with roundup. Blight in morning, roundup in the daytime and then back to blight in the evenings - this is where a very good pesticide technician is priceless
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20 miles away..... really... I do love this forum sometimes
glasshouse
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Drift can rise and then fall to earth a long way away
Tarw Coch
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Surely that would take some proving
Goweresque
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Its not normal drift though is it? The seed potatoes are so susceptible to the glyphosate that just 'normal' spraying in an adjacent field, in perfectly legal spraying conditions, could be enough to damage the crop. Thus in my view if you are growing such a delicate crop, of such a high value, you should be taking the extra precautions needed to protect it on your own land. That is to say only growing it where you can control the required X metres of glyphosate free zone around it. Not growing right up against your neighbours fence and then expecting him to farm on eggshells for your benefit.
It would be like having a breed of livestock that was incredibly susceptible to some common and non-fatal animal disease, putting them in a field next to your neighbour, and then demanding that he couldn't put his own livestock in his own field because they might infect yours.
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thats why we all keep our meticulous application records, not for our own good but for our insurance companies to use to prove our good practice in the event of a spurious claim.
ive been on the receiving end of such a claim (not spray related) and had it successfully rebutted by our insurance company because of our paper trail and all the other hoops we jump thru. it is not a pleasant experience, especially where the other party sexes up the potential loss (a 29t load ended up being 36t somehow?) and ive never been so glad for my folder full of “annoying shite”.
so my point is so long as we behave and record ourselves as such, I don’t see an issue spraying roundup in the vicinity (not immediate vicinity, keep tramline away at least ) of seed, we do it ourselves, but common sense and good practice must prevail.
And if I was a contractor asked to spray hard ploughing next to seed tatties on the east coast of Scotland in hot windy conditions such as it has been, I’d be saying I’m busy that day too.
ive been on the receiving end of such a claim (not spray related) and had it successfully rebutted by our insurance company because of our paper trail and all the other hoops we jump thru. it is not a pleasant experience, especially where the other party sexes up the potential loss (a 29t load ended up being 36t somehow?) and ive never been so glad for my folder full of “annoying shite”.
so my point is so long as we behave and record ourselves as such, I don’t see an issue spraying roundup in the vicinity (not immediate vicinity, keep tramline away at least ) of seed, we do it ourselves, but common sense and good practice must prevail.
And if I was a contractor asked to spray hard ploughing next to seed tatties on the east coast of Scotland in hot windy conditions such as it has been, I’d be saying I’m busy that day too.
glasshouse
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The field was abandoned for three years
To Ollie and Robt . yes it was heavy evening and changed in the early morning to lift it up miles. Also after a that few years later
we had a similar weather pattern that picked up straw
burning smuts that dumped on August bank holiday in central London that resulted in the incorporation time after burning and the eventual ban.
we had a similar weather pattern that picked up straw
burning smuts that dumped on August bank holiday in central London that resulted in the incorporation time after burning and the eventual ban.
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That was the issue from what I remember, I was told about it some 10 years ago, I think it may have been 2008 when we had weeks of 25+ weather, a lot of people were only spraying at night to stop lift off anyway, like a lot of people have been recently with fungicides.
ollie989898
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You would never prove it. 20 miles is a heck of a distance and to prove someone was the responsible party- you might as well blame someone in France for spraying with the wind in the wrong direction.
ollie989898
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It can happen with dicamba which has had a bad press in the USA because of it drifting quite a distance and hurting someone else's soybeans which display a peculiar sensitivity to that particular chemical. I don't know if it is just weather or local climatic conditions or the formulation used but dicamba got a lot of bad press over it. Of course, I guess it could be just as likely a sprayer tank was contaminated or the soil contained residues.
Goweresque
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I'm more looking at the principles involved than the specific example.
glasshouse
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There have been big claims in australia where drift moved many miles and wiped out cotton etc