Winter wheat yields

robbie · Jun 10, 2020

Flat 10 said:
That's very impressive indeed. Majority of my WW looks like that last hotspot pic of yours. Worst bit was 20ac drilled in march after beet. Only consolation is i can't see any spring barley I would have drilled looking any better. Can't see it doing 2t/ac. Luckily I have 50ac of really nice ww to look at to cheer me up amongst all the mediocrity. What has staggered me is how quickly crops here ran out of water after a pretty wet winter. We get more years where we suffer from water shortages than we don't but what caught me unawares this year was how quick it happened for the wheat.

The bit I find most surprising is the field in the first two pics was reclaimed by dad and grandad back in the 70s it was all birch,alder and willow and all hills and holes or pingos as they're called which were left by the ice age. The hills were pushed off before draining and theres not that much topsoil before your onto sand but i guess the decades of muck have helped.

Maybe the free draining nature of the land ment even in a horrendous wet autumn it still put roots down a good depth where "better" land played wetter and roots sat near the surface.

4course · Jun 10, 2020

DrWazzock said:
January drilled winter wheat has a bit of height to it particularly on better ground. Might do 2t/acre average. I am kind of glad I drilled it. Its been hammered on the sand though and lost a lot of bottom leaves.
February drilled winter wheat has ear emerging about a foot from the ground. 1t/acre? Looks a sorry sight. Wish I hadn't bothered really but we might have got away with it, if it hadn't been so dry.
Getting some nice rain today and hopefully it will keep crops going, but it isn't going to add yield now, just help preserve what's there IMO.
Over all the most shockingly bad year for winter wheat I have ever known here for 40 years.

Now its rained the ww sown prior to the october rains mostly look well and id say at or slightly above average ( big ears)but not record breakers. 56%
The ww sown in early feb is diabolical and without doubt the worst ive ever grown7%
The spring barley some of which is on resown later drilled failed flooded ww is much better than I thought it might have been in fact as id go so far to say some of it is the best ive ever grown but 30 odd years ago said I would never grow sp barley again. just goes to show you should never say never 18%
The sp osr sown to help us keep our rotation and avoid too much sp barley is effectively fallow and with hindsight was not my best idea but we have grown it in the past though not into 8 weeks of drought and done ok7%
the winter barley is 1/2 good and 1/2 patchy12%
so im working on the hope that we will have 86% ok 7% break even and 7% which at best will give us an early clean entry into ww which will lift our acerage of first wheats next year as usually follow grass which this year has so far given a first cut 75% of normal though 2nd cut is growing well

DrWazzock · Jun 10, 2020

4course said:
Now its rained the ww sown prior to the october rains mostly look well and id say at or slightly above average ( big ears)but not record breakers. 56%
The ww sown in early feb is diabolical and without doubt the worst ive ever grown7%
The spring barley some of which is on resown later drilled failed flooded ww is much better than I thought it might have been in fact as id go so far to say some of it is the best ive ever grown but 30 odd years ago said I would never grow sp barley again. just goes to show you should never say never 18%
The sp osr sown to help us keep our rotation and avoid too much sp barley is effectively fallow and with hindsight was not my best idea but we have grown it in the past though not into 8 weeks of drought and done ok7%
the winter barley is 1/2 good and 1/2 patchy12%
so im working on the hope that we will have 86% ok 7% break even and 7% which at best will give us an early clean entry into ww which will lift our acerage of first wheats next year as usually follow grass

My spring barley isnt too bad, and is presently coming into ear at about twice the height of my latest drilled winter wheat. I reckon the spring barley will be about average except where it emerged too slowly on the heaviest areas and is patchy. Sugar beet looks good, all things considered.
Jury out on ploughing versus direct drilling. So many different variables and no like for like comparisons so no definite conclusions can be drawn, suffice it to say direct drilled spring barely on unmoved heavy land established better than on ploughed heavy land due to clod formation and moisture loss. Did not plough ahead of any winter wheat drillings as it was just too wet. Direct drilled on an opportunity basis during drier interludes in winter. Needless to say far from ideal conditions so poor results hardly surprising though a bit better on the whole than not bothering. As always land in "good heart" shines through with better rooting and a decent plant.

Donkey Oaty · Jun 10, 2020

@Brisel . Are you getting rain today? It looked like it on the forecast.

Brisel · Jun 10, 2020

Donkey Oaty said:
@Brisel . Are you getting rain today? It looked like it on the forecast.

Nothing here yet. Enough drizzle to stop the sprayer doing T2 on the spring barley. Decent rain forecast tomorrow though.

D14 · Jun 10, 2020

robbie said:
I'm not sure where yields will be this year. I do know they wont be as good as last year but everything looks well enough now we've had some rain. The wheats around here did stick the dry remarkable well.
how much yield was lost because of the dry spell remains to be seen but crops look even and crucially I haven't got any poor or bare headlands which do a lot of damage to average yields.

Today I applied a very late t2/t3.
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December drilled 1st wheat after beet
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Continuous wheat.
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First wheat after osr
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I have got a few droughty patches on shale pockets on land that was a river bed in the last ice age but it wouldn't total more than 1 acre and these patches show up most years anyway.

Non of it has had anything since epoxy,ctl and strobe at T1.

How was it all established? Looks very good.

D14 · Jun 10, 2020

March drilled spring wheat, heads out! It’s very short though around 18 inches top to bottom.

shakerator · Jun 10, 2020

D14 said:
March drilled spring wheat, heads out! It’s very short though around 18 inches top to bottom.

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which variety of spring wheat is that please ?

DRC · Jun 10, 2020

Gleam continuous wheat, drilled 25th sept. Not enough tillers .
Costello after maize, drilled 1st Nov .

Breckland Boy · Jun 10, 2020

This is my Montana.
Dare I say, I'm quite pleased with it. Mid Oct sown after tatties on sand. Twice it had some artificial rain to help it through the dry spell. Increasingly worried that I should have stuck on another fungicide to carry it through.

robbie · Jun 10, 2020

D14 said:
How was it all established? Looks very good.

Very unfashionably I'm afraid with the dreaded plough, kkk and Suffolk coulter drill.
jb Diego c6 or 7 off the heap no dressings at 12 stone acre plus a notch or two if it looks like it needs it.

This was me ploughing 27th november after beet for the wheat in the pictures above.

Flat 10 · Jun 10, 2020

Breckland Boy said:
This is my Montana.
Dare I say, I'm quite pleased with it. Mid Oct sown after tatties on sand. Twice it had some artificial rain to help it through the dry spell. Increasingly worried that I should have stuck on another fungicide to carry it through. View attachment 886134

Not too late to bung some proline and teb on as a late earwash? Looks like it has potential.

Breckland Boy · Jun 10, 2020

Flat 10 said:
Not too late to bung some proline and teb on as a late earwash? Looks like it has potential.

Think I will.
Shame there is no window in the forecast until Sunday

robbie · Jun 10, 2020

Flat 10 said:
Not too late to bung some proline and teb on as a late earwash? Looks like it has potential.

If its past flowering why not swap the cost of proline for some comet/amistar along with the teb to keep it going a little longer and make the most of this moisture.

Are you growing it for milling?

Breckland Boy · Jun 10, 2020

robbie said:
If its past flowering why not swap the cost of proline for some comet/amistar along with the teb to keep it going a little longer and make the most of this moisture.

Are you growing it for milling?

Yes milling wheat. Agro advised me not to bother.
I have some jaunt in the shed which I think is prothi and a strobe. It was destined for s barley which is dead. That would save a bit of extra spending and allow another dose of foliar K.

Bossfarmer · Jun 11, 2020

has everyone had enough rain now? surely with heads out its sunlight youll be after now or is it still a bit early to need that?

Flat 10 · Jun 11, 2020

Bossfarmer said:
has everyone had enough rain now? surely with heads out its sunlight youll be after now or is it still a bit early to need that?

We keep telling you it’s too late. A lot of damage is done.

DRC · Jun 11, 2020

Bossfarmer said:
has everyone had enough rain now? surely with heads out its sunlight youll be after now or is it still a bit early to need that?

No. Keep missing it .
Need it as much for the maize and beet

John Slejpner · Jun 11, 2020

Bossfarmer said:
has everyone had enough rain now? surely with heads out its sunlight youll be after now or is it still a bit early to need that?

The damaged winter wheat crops need water and sun and temperatures not exceeding 22 degrees ......as we have had about 10-12 mm here over the last week i will take cool and damp because 2 out of 3 is as good as it gets.

David. · Jun 11, 2020

All a lot of wet will do to these dying crops is cause secondary tillers or make them go black as soot.
May as well stay dryish and cool now.
We've now had 10mm, which is at least soaking in, in the cooler weather.

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100% I’ve had enough of farming!

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