Rebecca Long-Bailey

Bald Rick

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I’m amazed it’s got to 38 posts and nobody has even commented on the actual claim made. This to me says a lot. Everybody has an agenda based on very knowledge. Sad.
The claim was false by the way. The way it was stated Suggests a deeper narrative than just criticism of the israelly government

Peake has “clarified” her comments

 
Peake has “clarified” her comments

Indeed. It’s quite scary really. Despite her protestations she either is antisemetic or went down a momentum rabbit hole without questioning its validity. Either way she looks stupid.
 

Daniel

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Indeed. It’s quite scary really. Despite her protestations she either is antisemetic or went down a momentum rabbit hole without questioning its validity. Either way she looks stupid.

It won't stop her getting acting jobs though. Although I note Laurence Fox is now unemployable having come out as mildly right-wing.


Israelis are great, not least because they produced Fauda, which is one of the best series on Netflix.
 

matty

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Keir Starmer is a bit of a hypocrite .

In 2004 onwards he was director of public prosecutions. He told the police not to prosecute the Muslim rape gangs to prevent "Islamophobia ".

He has promoted Naz Shah a Pakistani Muslim who at the time of the child sex scandals said " the English children should keep quiet about being raped for the sake of diversity "
 

Muck Spreader

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Keir Starmer is a bit of a hypocrite .

In 2004 onwards he was director of public prosecutions. He told the police not to prosecute the Muslim rape gangs to prevent "Islamophobia ".

He has promoted Naz Shah a Pakistani Muslim who at the time of the child sex scandals said " the English children should keep quiet about being raped for the sake of diversity "

What's that got to do with anything. His job was to estimate the likelihood of getting a conviction on the evidence available to the CPS. If the evidence does not exist or is unlikely to be believed at the time what is he supposed to do?
 

matty

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What's that got to do with anything. His job was to estimate the likelihood of getting a conviction on the evidence available to the CPS. If the evidence does not exist or is unlikely to be believed at the time what is he supposed to do?

It shows what a crappy bloke he is and that hes prepared to brush things under the carpet !

Not enough evidence? Bull fecking sh!t !

Funny how they've eventually used this evidence ( that wasnt enough ) and convicted them !


I watched a harrowing interview with some of the victims whom both themselves and parents contacted police ,social services,council and nothing was done all these public servants were as guilty as hell of failing the girls.

If it had been pursued first time it could of saved some of the later victims .

Racial harmony was the problem not that there wasnt enough evidence.

Keir Starmer didn't have enough evidence ??
Aye yeah right !
You carry on telling yourself that .
 
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Muck Spreader

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It shows what a crappy bloke he is and that hes prepared to brush things under the carpet !

Not enough evidence? Bull fecking sh!t !

Funny how they've eventually used this evidence ( that wasnt enough ) and convicted them !


I watched a harrowing interview with some of the victims whom both themselves and parents contacted police ,social services,council and nothing was done all these public servants were as guilty as hell of failing the girls.

If it had been pursued first time it could of saved some of the later victims .

Racial harmony was the problem not that there wasnt enough evidence.

Keir Starmer didn't have enough evidence ??
Aye yeah right !
You carry on telling yourself that .

As far as I know Starmer didn't refuse to prosecute the Rochdale grooming gangs. @Danllan can you shed any light on this?
 

matty

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As far as I know Starmer didn't refuse to prosecute the Rochdale grooming gangs. @Danllan can you shed any light on this?

Keir Starmers record whilst being head of the CPS was shambolic.
Rochdale grooming gang,Jimmy Saville and John Worboys to name a few ( perhaps you should do some research )

The evidence previously deemed ‘insufficient’ by Starmer’s CPS — evidence which included DNA and eventually led to 47 other victims allegations — proved vital to securing the convictions of ten men.

John Worboys, the black cab driver who spiked the drinks of scores of unsuspecting women before sexually assaulting them while they were unconscious in the back of his taxi. Worboys was convicted in 2009 of 19 charges against 12 women. It was suspected that there were over 100 more victims. But Sir Keir ruled not to pursue further charges.

He had an appalling record that's for sure, quite staggering if you read up on it .

Perhaps you can read up next time before trying to be a clever sh!te and trying to defend him !
 

Danllan

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As far as I know Starmer didn't refuse to prosecute the Rochdale grooming gangs. @Danllan can you shed any light on this?
Hasn't this been discussed before? :unsure:

I only have knowledge of this by hearsay. My understanding is that the then DPP - the then Keir Starmer QC - avoided any involvement with the matter other than was strictly necessary for his office. I have heard more or less the same thing from several different people, including someone who was a tenant under him - and who, although a good friend of mine, is a nauseating liberal-lefty just like Sir KS (in fact, it's very hard to get into those chambers without being that way).

Anyway, the above could be taken in one of several ways: as meaning that he had an even more 'hands-off' delegatory management style than Boris does (bear in mind that it was a nationally important case); as indicating that he was too busy on other matters (possible, but not that likely); as the result of his being terrified of getting anywhere near it (not unlikely, but not certain).

He certainly wasn't a great DPP; but I'm not aware and nor have I heard rumours of his trying, in any way, to prevent or undermine the Rochdale prosecutions, but merely to avoid involvement with them.
 

Raider112

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What's that got to do with anything. His job was to estimate the likelihood of getting a conviction on the evidence available to the CPS. If the evidence does not exist or is unlikely to be believed at the time what is he supposed to do?
Fair enough he should be going on the evidence but the suggestion was that he told them not to prosecute to prevent Islamophobia. If this was the case he was in the wrong job.
 

Ashtree

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Hasn't this been discussed before? :unsure:

I only have knowledge of this by hearsay. My understanding is that the then DPP - the then Keir Starmer QC - avoided any involvement with the matter other than was strictly necessary for his office. I have heard more or less the same thing from several different people, including someone who was a tenant under him - and who, although a good friend of mine, is a nauseating liberal-lefty just like Sir KS (in fact, it's very hard to get into those chambers without being that way).

Anyway, the above could be taken in one of several ways: as meaning that he had an even more 'hands-off' delegatory management style than Boris does (bear in mind that it was a nationally important case); as indicating that he was too busy on other matters (possible, but not that likely); as the result of his being terrified of getting anywhere near it (not unlikely, but not certain).

He certainly wasn't a great DPP; but I'm not aware and nor have I heard rumours of his trying, in any way, to prevent or undermine the Rochdale prosecutions, but merely to avoid involvement with them.

And then @Danllan in another wordy post, sums up the professional legal style and competence of Sir Keith, all based on “hearsay and mumblings” from a friend!
Perhaps Sir Keith’s decisions as DPP in these cases were based on the “facts” surrounding the “evidence”, in the said cases, rather than on hearsay or other unworthy considerations.
 

Danllan

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And then @Danllan in another wordy post, sums up the professional legal style and competence of Sir Keith, all based on “hearsay and mumblings” from a friend!
Perhaps Sir Keith’s decisions as DPP in these cases were based on the “facts” surrounding the “evidence”, in the said cases, rather than on hearsay or other unworthy considerations.
The thing about words is that it's best to use the right ones. In this case 'Keir' is far better than 'Keith', not just for the obvious aesthetic reasons, but because... that's the fellow's name. (y)

Other than that, if you've a membership of a professional body and, particularly, such a collegiate one as the Bar, you'll know that an enormous amount of information is passed on obliquely. Further, friends pass things on. But you very probably don't have any such membership, or chums, so your ignorance of all that can be forgiven - unlike your ignorance of the name in question.

As for the internal workings - i.e. machinations - of the CPS... who knows? But it has been known over here for people with political ambitions to take them into consideration - and act accordingly - as they progress in any given career, and in the ROI too I believe. :)
 

Ley253

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I feel that RLB was the token leftie in the shadow cabinet, and would only have survived until a suitable reason for her removal came up.It duly did, and she was an instant example of a leader taking charge, unlike Cummins glove puppet, who now appears to be dual controlled!
 

Muck Spreader

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The thing about words is that it's best to use the right ones. In this case 'Keir' is far better than 'Keith', not just for the obvious aesthetic reasons, but because... that's the fellow's name. (y)

Other than that, if you've a membership of a professional body and, particularly, such a collegiate one as the Bar, you'll know that an enormous amount of information is passed on obliquely. Further, friends pass things on. But you very probably don't have any such membership, or chums, so your ignorance of all that can be forgiven - unlike your ignorance of the name in question.

As for the internal workings - i.e. machinations - of the CPS... who knows? But it has been known over here for people with political ambitions to take them into consideration - and act accordingly - as they progress in any given career, and in the ROI too I believe. :)

IMO being head of the CPS always appears to be a thankless task whoever the incumbent. The media always round on you, for over or under reacting, then just for good measure totally change their stance frequently. :banghead:
 

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