Why is modern machinery so flipping unreliable?!

Buy a Fendt if you want reliability.
There allways seems to be more green ones than red ones in the local dealers workshop, an observation confirmed by one of the mechanics.
At a guess I’d say it’s likely the green ones click up more hours per year than a lot of the red ones they sell but numbers sold would be considerably less.
 

Smith31

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There allways seems to be more green ones than red ones in the local dealers workshop, an observation confirmed by one of the mechanics.
At a guess I’d say it’s likely the green ones click up more hours per year than a lot of the red ones they sell but numbers sold would be considerably less.

It's not just tractors in my experience most motors produced by Japenese and German manufacturers tend to be far more reliable and hold their value far better. We have a VW Passat tdi here, it's done over 350k other then standard servicing and tyres it is still going strong, had it been a Ford or Renault it would have died on us years ago.

At the other end of the spectrum to a Fendt, we have a Honda powered petrol jet wash, which is used once a year to wash the combine down, never fails to start even with old fuel and is still worth what we paid for it 6 years ago.
 
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Devon
Doesn't matter what colour/ make it is every tractor/ machine etc will break down sooner or later unless you keep it in the shed 24/7 365 days of the year and never use it..

The point of the OP is that there is getting far too many sensors etc on all makes of machinery and they are making all makes less reliable the more and more sensors etc are added to machines.
 

Grassman

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Location
Derbyshire
Next door neighbour made his living welding cars. He told me 20myears ago it was a dieing trade. Only classic stuff left to weld. Modern vehicle bodies are so much better.
A mechanic told me similar. Overhauling engines etc was a thing of the past. Cars are good for a lot of miles nowadays.
In the 70s you would be thought of as a nutter to buy anything with 100k miles on it. Would just be a money pit.
 
Back when I was a milkman in the '90s, my travels took me daily into the secret depths of a John Deere workshop, and even the legendary JDs (6400s?)were prone to very expensive problems when they were new. I used to stick my nose in to see what was going on and I seem to remember problems with the alloy rear end casings and the drive shafts leading to major surgery. If you wanted to annoy them, you waited til they showed you the revolutionary Powr-rail torque absorbing chassis rail design, or whatever name they cooked up, then said "Oh it's like our old Nuffield is it with the engine sitting in a frame?" :)
 

Cowabunga

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Location
Ceredigion,Wales
Next door neighbour made his living welding cars. He told me 20myears ago it was a dieing trade. Only classic stuff left to weld. Modern vehicle bodies are so much better.
A mechanic told me similar. Overhauling engines etc was a thing of the past. Cars are good for a lot of miles nowadays.
In the 70s you would be thought of as a nutter to buy anything with 100k miles on it. Would just be a money pit.
Anything over 50,000 miles and four years of age needed to be at a bargain-basement price.
 

glasshouse

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Location
lothians
Doesn't matter what colour/ make it is every tractor/ machine etc will break down sooner or later unless you keep it in the shed 24/7 365 days of the year and never use it..

The point of the OP is that there is getting far too many sensors etc on all makes of machinery and they are making all makes less reliable the more and more sensors etc are added to machines.
No
Leave a tractor unused and it wont work
 

Farmer Roy

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Arable Farmer
Location
NSW, Newstralya
Some of us can only imagine what it must be like having problems with new gear
It’s been 12 years since I’ve had anything new, you sad prîcks :ROFLMAO:
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I can’t even afford new tyres . . .
 

jendan

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Northumberland
Next door neighbour made his living welding cars. He told me 20myears ago it was a dieing trade. Only classic stuff left to weld. Modern vehicle bodies are so much better.
A mechanic told me similar. Overhauling engines etc was a thing of the past. Cars are good for a lot of miles nowadays.
In the 70s you would be thought of as a nutter to buy anything with 100k miles on it. Would just be a money pit.
My wife had a Meriva 1.2 Diesel turbo,only a year old when she bought it,7000 miles on.The engine blew up twice.The second time,that was it.Down the road and exchanged back to a Zafira. I thought at the time they were trying to get too much power out of a too little engine. And the doors.......in theory a protective shield for the kids when getting in and out.In practise,a complete pain in the arse,especially when youngest daughter didnt close the back door fast enough and wife drove off down narrow alley.:facepalm:
 

Cowabunga

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Location
Ceredigion,Wales
My wife had a Meriva 1.2 Diesel turbo,only a year old when she bought it,7000 miles on.The engine blew up twice.The second time,that was it.Down the road and exchanged back to a Zafira. I thought at the time they were trying to get too much power out of a too little engine. And the doors.......in theory a protective shield for the kids when getting in and out.In practise,a complete pain in the arse,especially when youngest daughter didnt close the back door fast enough and wife drove off down narrow alley.:facepalm:
Suicide doors really should have a failsafe mode where the car cannot be driven unless doors are closed properly. My Honda CRV doesn't have such door but it does put the transmission in Park when any door is opened. So did the Volvo.
 

Campbell

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Location
Herefordshire
It's not just Ag. Most of our Military kit goes wrong with alarming regularity. Had a friend working on Army Helicopters, more on the ground than in the at any one time.....:nailbiting:.
 

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quote: “Red Tractor has confirmed it is dropping plans to launch its green farming assurance standard in April“

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