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AGN76

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What would that mean for someone like me? I've a pure limousin heifer (sired by lorenzo) who could have gone pedigree, I didn't register her for one reason or another (I should have). Shes the best heifer we have ever bred and is out of our last pedigree cow left on farm. I was hoping to restart our pedigree herd with her.
I think it'll all come to nothing. Get her registered or at the very least birth notified until its all blown over
 

Johngee

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Llandysul
Shes too old now, would be 18 months

You can’t register them after a year old I’m afraid. The only thing you could (which we have done in the past) is register her as a base cow, although her descendants won’t ever be regarded as full pedigree, just graded up.
 

Johngee

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Llandysul
I think it'll all come to nothing. Get her registered or at the very least birth notified until its all blown over

I can’t see them de-registering stock for that. I suppose he might have to dump any un-used straws. But if the DNA shows that the pedigree is correct and the date of birth is correct then the integrity of the herd book isn’t compromised.
 

Jdunn55

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You can’t register them after a year old I’m afraid. The only thing you could (which we have done in the past) is register her as a base cow, although her descendants won’t ever be regarded as full pedigree, just graded up.
If I register her as a base cow how many generations would it take before they are counted as pedigree? She is 100% limousin so I dont really understand why her offspring wouldn't be, but if that's the rules, that's the rules.
 

Johngee

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Llandysul
If I register her as a base cow how many generations would it take before they are counted as pedigree? She is 100% limousin so I dont really understand why her offspring wouldn't be, but if that's the rules, that's the rules.

The base cow goes in at 75%, so you then work up to 87, 93, 96 etc with each generation, but then they will always be 99% not 100%. It’s a bit like the polled section who will also never get to 100.
 
I have one or two pedigree Limousin females (including the original bought-in ones) which have a number of features which resemble the Blonde. I am not complaining, so long as my store calves don't get a reputation for being a bit difficult to finish.

A very respected suckled calf breeder and finisher in Berwickshire reckons the Blonde is the perfect beef animal, apart from the fact that it is difficult to get a final finish on it. Other than that, it comes out top in terms of meat: bone ratio and KO%.
Slightly smaller than the Charolais too, which could be an advantage in these days of reduced carcase limits. The finishing bit is much less of an issue if bred out of a fat, hairy native cow.
 

Jdunn55

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The base cow goes in at 75%, so you then work up to 87, 93, 96 etc with each generation, but then they will always be 99% not 100%. It’s a bit like the polled section who will also never get to 100.
Surely that just reduces the gene pool size over time due to breeders dropping out and families being lost over time?
Not arguing just curious as I think it would make more sense after x amount of generations at 99% to just say that they are 100%.. what percentage do you need in order to be pedigree?
 
Slightly smaller than the Charolais too, which could be an advantage in these days of reduced carcase limits. The finishing bit is much less of an issue if bred out of a fat, hairy native cow.
Blondes can be big by the time they are finished. That was used as a selling point in NI where anything over a 3 isn't desirable.
I remember a breeder saying that 400kg plus and still being nice and lean was no problem for a blonde.
I used blonde for a couple if years and they were the cattle that needed most feeding to get fleshed, and dams were half native (not modern native) so there was fat on the dams side.
But that was just my findings.

I've been hearing talk of DW limits for 5 or more years now and how the Char would struggle to sell, but Char bulls still sell like hot cakes and char stores are generally still the ones to beat.
Is it just talk or are UK finishers just plain stupid?
 

Agrivator

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Blondes can be big by the time they are finished. That was used as a selling point in NI where anything over a 3 isn't desirable.
I remember a breeder saying that 400kg plus and still being nice and lean was no problem for a blonde.
I used blonde for a couple if years and they were the cattle that needed most feeding to get fleshed, and dams were half native (not modern native) so there was fat on the dams side.
But that was just my findings.

I've been hearing talk of DW limits for 5 or more years now and how the Char would struggle to sell, but Char bulls still sell like hot cakes and char stores are generally still the ones to beat.
Is it just talk or are UK finishers just plain stupid?

Charolais heifers make at least as much per kg as Charolais steers- because they can be finished at lighter weights. In other
words, Charolais steers are slightly discounted in case they get too big before finishing.
 
Blondes can be big by the time they are finished. That was used as a selling point in NI where anything over a 3 isn't desirable.
I remember a breeder saying that 400kg plus and still being nice and lean was no problem for a blonde.
I used blonde for a couple if years and they were the cattle that needed most feeding to get fleshed, and dams were half native (not modern native) so there was fat on the dams side.
But that was just my findings.

I've been hearing talk of DW limits for 5 or more years now and how the Char would struggle to sell, but Char bulls still sell like hot cakes and char stores are generally still the ones to beat.
Is it just talk or are UK finishers just plain stupid?
A lot of Limmy x cows etc in NI, I would guess, which wouldn't help? I just thought they might be a good cross on a black baldie or similar. What was the breeding of your cows?
 

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