M-J-G
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If someone won't reply to your calls regarding an after sales issue, the gloves are off IMO.
Coming soon to a Barbeque near you............
- Thread starter Purli R
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If there is no evidence that the bull was known to be ''nasty'' before sale, I think it has to be accepted that the vendor is blameless. Bulls have been known to suddenly become aggressive, and the purchaser should be prepared to accept that unless the vendor decides to be particularly generous, he will just have to take the loss. Otherwise it could open a whole can of worms.
There is a well-known bull breeder in the Borders who advertises widely that his bulls are docile, very easy calvers, and will leave calves that will be outstanding in all respects. Should a buyer claim compensation if he finds that a particular bull he buys, doesn't come up to scratch?
There is a well-known bull breeder in the Borders who advertises widely that his bulls are docile, very easy calvers, and will leave calves that will be outstanding in all respects. Should a buyer claim compensation if he finds that a particular bull he buys, doesn't come up to scratch?
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- Fife
Yes.
If a Seller is promoting his stock on the basis you describe, and presumbly gaining a premium price because of it, then Yes, the Vendor will need to stand by the animal, possibly a bit over and above that which any good breeder would do for his stock.
My opinion, (for what's its worth).
If @Purli R thinks he's done the right thing, then don't give a fek what anybody else thinks as it's your herd, your life! A bull is half your herd and more like 75% of it if your a pedigree breeder. If you haven't got confidence with him in the pen then how could you have confidence in selling his offspring in 18 months time. A bull like that could destroy a herd and a living.
My question is this, how come purli r had to contact the vendor in the first place? Didn't he buy it at an official sale be it an online auction? That's a bad job on the auctioneers part.
Down here (and I thought in all breeding sales?) you have 3 months to prove that a bull isn't going to work as the stress of market and moving can make him infertile?
That's not a criticism to anyone else that have given their 10p worth of advice as most are valid in my eyes.
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- South West Scotland
On the basis of some of the opinions on here an interesting alternative thread would have been Quality Blue bull for sale £2k, a bit temperamental but will probably settle down when put to cows. Sold as seen, no comeback.
Having bred and sold pedigree stock in the past I always worked on the principle that the customer is always right even if I suspected otherwise.
For example many years ago I was contacted by a buyer of a ram lamb sold at Carlisle 8 weeks before, lamb not working, showing no interest.
I thought this was a bit strange because he said at the sale that the lamb was going to ewes almost immediately.
As the lamb was pretty decent I decided to collect him, cheque for value + keep in hand. Never saw buyer so gave cheque to his wife.
My first thought when I saw the lamb was he didn't look like a lamb that hadn't been working. I brought him home and fed him for a few days then put him out with some blackie ewes, he didn't hesitate, in fact he looked quite experienced
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I have a neighbour who bought a bull from a breeder in the borders who advertised all of the above,this bull was run with 20 hfrs ,he had to calf every one of them. This bull was not an easy calver,when the breeder was contacted he was basically told to go whistle. When it comes to bulls it seems to be caveat emptor.
Northeastfarmer
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- Cleveland
I hate buying bulls....least with bulling heifers you can kill them and not lose any money
Hilly
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- Scottish Borders.
Yes
Northeastfarmer
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- Cleveland
That is true....but I wouldn’t pay 5-10k for heifers like I would a bullyou could buy more expensive heifers then have the same snag with them
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- Yorkshire
I wouldn't pay 5-10k for a bull
Northeastfarmer
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- Cleveland
You can pay what you want with your own money
betweenthelines
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- southwest
Put the bull in a different environment with a few females (not bulling) and no other bulls around and give him time to settle.
FFS half the farmers I know act "strangely" when taken away from "home"-and that's without the added pressure of trying to exert their sexual dominance (usually)
FFS half the farmers I know act "strangely" when taken away from "home"-and that's without the added pressure of trying to exert their sexual dominance (usually)
johnspeehs
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- Co Antrim
I don't think the man should ever have been put in this position in the first place the auctioneers should have put their foot down and sorted it out, I think they have let him down very badly,the bull was not fit for purpose,if you can't work with him he is no use to anyone and as someone else said I'm pretty sure Purli R didn't throw 4k away without serious thought. I agree with M-J-G if the seller would have kept communications open and was willing to try and sort it out it probably would never have gotten on here in the first place. Still hearing people saying to let him out with cows, give him a chance, well would you ever trust a bull again if he showed his nasty side??I couldn't,, you would always be wondering and constantly be thinking about what field he was in and who might end up between him and his cows.
If the bull was worth that kind of money, then the seller should have taken him back, and the auctioneers should have assisted. Afterall what are you paying them commission for.
It does seem like the selling of pedigree stock is full of risk, and is a bit like the wild west. I am just amazed that the various societies allow rogues like these guys to be members. Maybe its time an auctioneer firm had a straight up business model, and both buyers and sellers had to be vetted, and each sale was recorded with scoring; much like ebay.
It does seem like the selling of pedigree stock is full of risk, and is a bit like the wild west. I am just amazed that the various societies allow rogues like these guys to be members. Maybe its time an auctioneer firm had a straight up business model, and both buyers and sellers had to be vetted, and each sale was recorded with scoring; much like ebay.
M-J-G
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5 to 10k is a weird bracket!
Surely nobody with a brain sets a lower limit on what they're prepared to spend
I liked the bull but he only made 4 grand, so I didn't buy him because I wanted to pay 5
sheepwise
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- SW Scotland
Should have gone and visited the seller and demanded that a representative from H & H was there to conduct the negotiations. Could all have been done as essential business travel while observing social distancing.
fieldfarmer
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Was the vendor not in a different country?
Northeastfarmer
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- Cleveland
You’d of thought a company as large as H&H would of soon sent an auctioneer to sort it out