johnspeehs
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Exactly, if they had anything in them they would have sorted this, our local market would have for sure, might be livestock but buyers have rights same as any other goods.
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Exactly, if they had anything in them they would have sorted this, our local market would have for sure, might be livestock but buyers have rights same as any other goods.
johnspeehs
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No, just in another part of the UK ,, Northern Ireland.
Northeastfarmer
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- Cleveland
Agreed.... it’s in their interest to keep both parties happy...if H&H didn’t want anything to do with it the op should of dropped the bull off at the mart and told them to sort it out
sheepwise
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You know something I think that would have been the best solution.
M-J-G
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I know of it having been done twice before, on exactly the same situation as the OP found himself in.
But you need to do that before payment, once you've paid you have a lot less leverage.
Was it a "Society sale" if so did the BB society try to do anything?
But you need to do that before payment, once you've paid you have a lot less leverage.
Was it a "Society sale" if so did the BB society try to do anything?
fieldfarmer
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And isn't the Op in England?
M-J-G
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I think they were meaning from a travelling during lockdown point of view, not from a political standpoint.
fieldfarmer
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Thank you.
Just to help those who aren"t reading this thread properly. Bull purchased thru online official BB society sale.Bull paid for next day.Bull delivered to carlisle bout 2 weeks later. Bull was nuts in trailer on way home,couldn"t go near pen following AM never mind in its pen,rang vendor same day to say nice bull but nuts,give it more time to quieten down-fully agreed.Rang H H mon am to let them know might be problem.later in week still no better various calls to vendor/ auctioneer told vendor to come & look for himself,we would pick him up at airport,NO.Get your brother to come look as he lives in yorkshire,NO.Get a blue breeder he knows to come look on his behalf,NO, told H H he would not be standing behind whatever,not answering anything now,then you wonder why I"ve put it on here.Wether it was doped or not I wouldn"t know,but would explain alot.It has come out that it paced up & down behind gates alot & he coulcn"t get a halter on without it in a crush or a yoke,so I believe he knew it had issues. As for dumping it back at carlisle that meant us loading it,then someone had to run the risk at that end,that would make us negligent,but would have teken it to his farm if it weren!t in NI. We would have been open to some sort of an offer had it been made. Thank you hope this helps the hard of reading 
BB society know about this.
BB society know about this.
wellingtonfarmer
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Just to help those who aren"t reading this thread properly. Bull purchased thru online official BB society sale.Bull paid for next day.Bull delivered to carlisle bout 2 weeks later. Bull was nuts in trailer on way home,couldn"t go near pen following AM never mind in its pen,rang vendor same day to say nice bull but nuts,give it more time to quieten down-fully agreed.Rang H H mon am to let them know might be problem.later in week still no better various calls to vendor/ auctioneer told vendor to come & look for himself,we would pick him up at airport,NO.Get your brother to come look as he lives in yorkshire,NO.Get a blue breeder he knows to come look on his behalf,NO, told H H he would not be standing behind whatever,not answering anything now,then you wonder why I"ve put it on here.Wether it was doped or not I wouldn"t know,but would explain alot.It has come out that it paced up & down behind gates alot & he coulcn"t get a halter on without it in a crush or a yoke,so I believe he knew it had issues. As for dumping it back at carlisle that meant us loading it,then someone had to run the risk at that end,that would make us negligent,but would have teken it to his farm if it weren!t in NI. We would have been open to some sort of an offer had it been made. Thank you hope this helps the hard of reading
time for video!
fieldfarmer
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Do you really believe NI is in the same country as the Op?
RushesToo
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Currently - although I am sure to be rectified soon, there are two parties that you might want to have caution in dealing with and they are:
I am sure that they will come good, but currently it would seem you might wish to take extra care.
- Mr. B. Dougherty, Newtonards, Co. Down,
- Harrison & Hetherington
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This has been interesting reading.
The lack of interest from both vendor and broker seems Surprising and short sighted. I think it’s reasonable Purli puts it on here to highlight these failings in a transaction that relies on trust to a large extent.
The three things I would want in a Bull are Quiet, Sound and Fertile. This should extend for a reasonable time frame from purchase, say 4 weeks. Looks are subjective.
Perhaps this should be a standard description of any Bull or Ram advertised for sale. Basically the vendor is then Warranting these basic features of the ‘goods for sale’.
You can’t sell something described as something it’s not - see the trade descriptions Act. The law is then effectively on your side which is why ‘Trading Standards’ as an organisation exists.
A simple vendor warranty would be easy to exchange prior to any payment- e mail, text or even old fashioned letter. It also gives you something to go back with when it all goes wrong, which sometimes happens.
The lack of interest from both vendor and broker seems Surprising and short sighted. I think it’s reasonable Purli puts it on here to highlight these failings in a transaction that relies on trust to a large extent.
The three things I would want in a Bull are Quiet, Sound and Fertile. This should extend for a reasonable time frame from purchase, say 4 weeks. Looks are subjective.
Perhaps this should be a standard description of any Bull or Ram advertised for sale. Basically the vendor is then Warranting these basic features of the ‘goods for sale’.
You can’t sell something described as something it’s not - see the trade descriptions Act. The law is then effectively on your side which is why ‘Trading Standards’ as an organisation exists.
A simple vendor warranty would be easy to exchange prior to any payment- e mail, text or even old fashioned letter. It also gives you something to go back with when it all goes wrong, which sometimes happens.
Little squeak
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I don't think that anyone on here could make a objective opinion without seeing the video of the bull once delivered. This thread has run to 12 pages with repeated requests for it to be shown. Putting it up here would show more of the facts and more to the point would show the purchaser had nothing to hide.
So you think all large bulls at shows are doped?
Thats quite a statement to make
What's the criteria for large ? Do you go by weight or height or something else ?
Just wondering so I can keep an eye out for the doped ones when the shows start again
M-J-G
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Some breeders just aren't clever.
I've never used sedative on an animal unless part of a medical procedure, but of the animals I've witnessed behaving badly where a sedative may have been helpful due to tgem being of ill temperament, very few of them were "big bulls".
A young heifer is more likely to be difficult to train and to overreact than an older bull IME.
My bad, rereading that it sounds wrong. I was trying to relate it to this thread with big bulls, as someone else said its more likely to be young heifers.So you think all large bulls at shows are doped?
Thats quite a statement to make
What's the criteria for large ? Do you go by weight or height or something else ?
Just wondering so I can keep an eye out for the doped ones when the shows start again
When I discovered it was being done, I was shocked to find out the number of people doing it.
I'm not pointing a finger at anyone at all. Apologies if it came across that way.
I've shown bulls and heifers a time or two, the thought of doping has never crossed my mind. If I did not think they would behave they would never of left home.
Did have experience of a sedation in a bull for a minor procedure that nearly went wrong when a top up was required, the overdose nearly killed him. It's too fine a line to take in my opinion.