2250 acres of arable pasture to rent in Kent

Hooby Farmer

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Livestock Farmer
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roe valley
I checked with my solicitor about it here in Northern Ireland, its the duty of the stock holder to fence them in. However if the fence belongs to the other party you still have to fence them in but its the responsibility of the fence owner to maintain the fence although it does not have to be to a stock proof standard.
 

Brisel

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Arable Farmer
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Midlands
Except against common land I believe

You're right I think. I've never dealt with common land so can't confirm that.

I know that, after out cattle destroyed a garden without a gate.
Most boundary fences are the responsibility of the landlord in scotland, so how does it work when english stock get out from tenanted land

Tenant/grazier/farmer is liable for all damage caused by their stock getting out though it depends on the detail for tenants and grazing licences. It doesn't matter who has left the gate open either.
 

Brisel

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Arable Farmer
Location
Midlands
So you have to replace the landlords fence?
Thats nice and fair

It depends on the terms of the occupancy. Mostly, it is down to the stock owner. Grazing licences state that the licencor is responsible for fencing, water, fertiliser, weed control etc to make sure they are covered for BPS, IHT etc. In reality, the grazier ends up doing much of the fencing.
 

v8willy

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Mixed Farmer
I checked with my solicitor about it here in Northern Ireland, its the duty of the stock holder to fence them in. However if the fence belongs to the other party you still have to fence them in but its the responsibility of the fence owner to maintain the fence although it does not have to be to a stock proof standard.
Was told once that if my stock broke out & walked into your garden that's my fault, but if I was moving cattle & they walked in then it's your fault, don't know if that's true tho.
 

bovrill

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Mixed Farmer
Location
East Essexshire
St Paul's Cathedral own a lot near me, it's meant to be the oldest continuously owned village or something, I think it might pre-date the Normans.
Edit: I just looked it up, and it might date back to the 7th century, which would make sense, as the chapel in the next village was built about 650.
Strutts manage the tenancies for them. I believe they're slightly better than the main C of E, because of trying to maintain the historical side of things, but they can still be fairly ruthless!
 
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Brisel

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Arable Farmer
Location
Midlands
Search for the Church Commission. They are the vehicle for managing their land holdings. They are managed by one agent who lives near me - she is currently employed by S&P but she does this account full time.

 

glasshouse

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Location
lothians
I checked with my solicitor about it here in Northern Ireland, its the duty of the stock holder to fence them in. However if the fence belongs to the other party you still have to fence them in but its the responsibility of the fence owner to maintain the fence although it does not have to be to a stock proof standard.
Thats about as useful as a chocolate teapot
 

Frank-the-Wool

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Livestock Farmer
Location
East Sussex
Was told once that if my stock broke out & walked into your garden that's my fault, but if I was moving cattle & they walked in then it's your fault, don't know if that's true tho.

That is correct in England. You are still allowed to move livestock on the public highway and it is up to the land/house owner to have a stock proof fence on the boundary of their property.
I have tested this more than once and against a Lawyer who tried to do me for a few hundred pounds when 300 ewes went for a walk around his lawn in January when it was a bit wet. He had a gate, but no side fences!!
When a copy of the law was sent to him I never heard any more!
 

v8willy

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Mixed Farmer
That is correct in England. You are still allowed to move livestock on the public highway and it is up to the land/house owner to have a stock proof fence on the boundary of their property.
I have tested this more than once and against a Lawyer who tried to do me for a few hundred pounds when 300 ewes went for a walk around his lawn in January when it was a bit wet. He had a gate, but no side fences!!
When a copy of the law was sent to him I never heard any more!
Nice :cool:
 
That is correct in England. You are still allowed to move livestock on the public highway and it is up to the land/house owner to have a stock proof fence on the boundary of their property.
I have tested this more than once and against a Lawyer who tried to do me for a few hundred pounds when 300 ewes went for a walk around his lawn in January when it was a bit wet. He had a gate, but no side fences!!
When a copy of the law was sent to him I never heard any more!

Legally you are right.

But before we kept sheep we had a grazier put ome on & a dog got in & some ended up in gardens.

We paid to keep the peace.
 
Thats about as useful as a chocolate teapot

No a clear definition of the law.

Really its polluter pays, seems fair to me.

It would not make much difference to me finacially fence in or out, because I have sheep.

But we need it written down and legal & the person at fault needs to pay.

I have an issue with the council. Disused railway line passes through our land, now the transpennine trail. Because the land was bought by compulsary purchase it was the railways responsibilty to maintain the drystone wall alongside the railway in places this is a retaining wall. Now self set sycamores are pushing the walls down, I've been threated with 5,000 pound fine if I touch a twig & they will not build the walls.
 

Cowcorn

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Mixed Farmer
Long time tenant family retiring with no succession. Church owned, so only interested in highest bidder ... I’m out!
Bad business, the church should try to set an example of responsible management and use its farms to give young farmers a start. Fair rents not cheque book wavers getting their way . The good Sheperd should help his flock not fleece them !!!!
 

glasshouse

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Location
lothians
Bad business, the church should try to set an example of responsible management and use its farms to give young farmers a start. Fair rents not cheque book wavers getting their way . The good Sheperd should help his flock not fleece them !!!!
The church have always been barstewards
The church of Scotland collaborated With landowners to carry out the highland clearances,
That led to the mass walkout and rxtablishmrnt of the scottish free church
 

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