PC Andrew Harper

The fact is the justice system is no longer fit for use. The prisons are basically at capacity and the whole process is hamstrung by human rights lawyers.

Take your average judge. I bet the bulk of them live in rather nice surroundings and never experience any actual crime really, it's not within their world view.

The prisons basically have no capacity or staff or funding, they are trying to get rid of prisoners, not retain them and add more.

And then you have the issue of human rights, it's near impossible to deport foreign criminals or prevent those with existing convictions from entering.

We need a collection of super prisons, life sentences that stick and mean it and a robust system to deport foreign nationals who have served their sentences with no right to ever enter the country again.

I do not advocate physical punishments or the death sentence whatsoever. I've always believed that the threat of prison is not a deterrent to crime, nor is it a punishment. Prison is merely a way of protecting society by segregating society from those who cannot follow the expected rules in society. Let the prison populace work for a living and earn money. I'm all for it.

Low level offenders should be put in orange overalls and made to work in chain gangs, picking litter and the like. Let the locals see their faces. No street cred from being forced to do that compared to getting an asbo.
 
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I think the best that can be hoped for is that the judge sentence is extremely robust.

I can understand his widows anger and the outrage. But I can still see why it was manslaughter not murder - its the premeditated element. They didn't loop him into the rope. 10 out of 12 jurors had to be convinced 100% and they weren't - I still actually jurors decision as they sat through the case

@ollie989898 - I don't think your view of judges is fair at all. They will be experienced people and anyway this isn't the judges decision
 
I think the best that can be hoped for is that the judge sentence is extremely robust.

I can understand his widows anger and the outrage. But I can still see why it was manslaughter not murder - its the premeditated element. They didn't loop him into the rope. 10 out of 12 jurors had to be convinced 100% and they weren't - I still actually jurors decision as they sat through the case

@ollie989898 - I don't think your view of judges is fair at all. They will be experienced people and anyway this isn't the judges decision

The number of lame sentences handed out by judges is a joke. Don't get me started on the cases I know of.
 
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The likelihood of someone dying when a punch is thrown is tiny, especially in a drunken bar fight, thus you can accept a manslaughter conviction.

The likelihood of someone surviving being dragged a mile behind a car is also tiny, thus it should be a murder conviction.


Nobody is happy with the verdict but he has been tried by a jury who having sat through the hearing have a far better understanding of the situation.

Not guilty of murder, because he/they did not set out with the intention to kill anyone.Same as killing someone in a road accident is not murder as there is no intent to kill.

Maximum sentence for manslaughter is Life Imprisonment
 
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Nobody is happy with the verdict but he has been tried by a jury who having sat through the hearing have a far better understanding of the situation.

Not guilty of murder, because he/they did not set out with the intention to kill anyone.Same as killing someone in a road accident is not murder as there is no intent to kill.

Maximum sentence for manslaughter is Life Imprisonment

How is towing someone down the road for a mile, screaming for his life as his skin is torn off, his intestines and innards torn out and limbs torn off, not murder?
 
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Try actually reading what I wrote rather than seeming to revel in the brutality of the incident.

There was no intention to kill him, therefore it can't be murder.

The Jury sat through the trial, heard the evidence and the legal arguments, are you suggesting that they were incompetent?
 

Daniel

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Try actually reading what I wrote rather than seeming to revel in the brutality of the incident.

There was no intention to kill him, therefore it can't be murder.

The Jury sat through the trial, heard the evidence and the legal arguments, are you suggesting that they were incompetent?

To bring you back to my question, how can you subject someone to that and then say you didn't mean to kill him?
 
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