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robs1 · Aug 1, 2020

Well seeing as there are several stretches of dual carriageway on that road on the warminster bypass there would have been opportunities to pass, there is no lay by in that direction between yarnbrook and warminster until Upton scudamore which is less than half a mile from the first dual, if he pulled over on the side of the road its plenty wide enough for vehicles to pass without pulling in.
There is one layby I can think of the other side of the bypass at the top of lords hill.
No it wasnt me by the way
Drivers that wont overtake are a huge problem too but that doesnt mean we shouldn't pull over which I do a lot these day, oh for lockdown when the roads round here were empty

No wot · Aug 1, 2020

I always pull over , if it's safe to do so, I'm not the only one on the road making a living and as an industry we'd do well to remember that .

Daddy Pig · Aug 1, 2020

also worth remembering that most other road users pay a lot more than tractors do for the privilege

holywell farmer · Aug 1, 2020

C.J said:
Either on the phone or gone to walk the dog

Or having a sleep in the car

ollie989898 · Aug 1, 2020

robs1 said:
Well seeing as there are several stretches of dual carriageway on that road on the warminster bypass there would have been opportunities to pass, there is no lay by in that direction between yarnbrook and warminster until Upton scudamore which is less than half a mile from the first dual, if he pulled over on the side of the road its plenty wide enough for vehicles to pass without pulling in.
There is one layby I can think of the other side of the bypass at the top of lords hill.
No it wasnt me by the way
Drivers that wont overtake are a huge problem too but that doesnt mean we shouldn't pull over which I do a lot these day, oh for lockdown when the roads round here were empty

The problem is that if you don't let people pass at all that road (certainly in the later stages) offers not many overtaking opportunities from memory?

czechmate · Aug 1, 2020

bobk said:
And 4 posts , must be a deep thinker .

That wouldn’t go amiss on this place

Seems like it’s beyond some regulars here to work out if a member is new or not.

betweenthelines · Aug 1, 2020

Traffic on the A30 in East Cornwall was down to 40 mph today, due to the volume of caravans and other holiday traffic.

Why don't those disease carrying scumbags pull over for the locals?

robs1 · Aug 1, 2020

ollie989898 said:
The problem is that if you don't let people pass at all that road (certainly in the later stages) offers not many overtaking opportunities from memory?

There isnt many chances but not many places to pull in, a couple of years ago we followed a load of straw back from Blandford to shaftesbury on the top road, he ignored several places I would have pulled in, mrs was driving and she got by at the KFC roundabout on the 350 by me looking up the inside and her flooring it before he got up speed. There has to be a balance and he was well past it.

Daddy Pig · Aug 1, 2020

betweenthelines said:
Traffic on the A30 in East Cornwall was down to 40 mph today, due to the volume of caravans and other holiday traffic.

Why don't those disease carrying scumbags pull over for the locals?

is this the same scumbags that spend £millions every year and keep the south west economy afloat ?

betweenthelines · Aug 1, 2020

Daddy Pig said:
is this the same scumbags that spend £millions every year and keep the south west economy afloat ?

Take it you've never worked in the tourist industry? Even in the good times, the staff were lucky to get minimum wage and only worked 4 weeks a year.

Tourism is petty cash compared to the impact farming has on the local economy

Goweresque · Aug 1, 2020

betweenthelines said:
Tourism is petty cash compared to the impact farming has on the local economy

I severely doubt that.

https://www.tourismalliance.com/downloads/TA_408_435.pdf

Tourism has a Gross Value Added (GVA) of about £68bn per year, for the UK as a whole. The South West attracts just over 12% of all tourism revenues, so its tourism GVA will be somewhere in the region of £8bn per year.

By comparison the entire UK agriculture sector has a GVA of somewhere between £8bn and £10bn, depending on output prices. The SW will be a fraction of that figure.

Tourism is FAR more important to the economy of the South West than farming is, both in overall financial contribution and employment.

czechmate · Aug 1, 2020

betweenthelines said:
Take it you've never worked in the tourist industry? Even in the good times, the staff were lucky to get minimum wage and only worked 4 weeks a year.

Tourism is petty cash compared to the impact farming has on the local economy

Tourists don’t eat then?

Exfarmer · Aug 1, 2020

Goweresque said:
I severely doubt that.

https://www.tourismalliance.com/downloads/TA_408_435.pdf

Tourism has a Gross Value Added (GVA) of about £68bn per year, for the UK as a whole. The South West attracts just over 12% of all tourism revenues, so its tourism GVA will be somewhere in the region of £8bn per year.

By comparison the entire UK agriculture sector has a GVA of somewhere between £8bn and £10bn, depending on output prices. The SW will be a fraction of that figure.

Tourism is FAR more important to the economy of the South West than farming is, both in overall financial contribution and employment.

Having been involved on the economic benefits Of tourism in the past I can assure you it is nowhere near as clear as you suggest.
for a start the cost of improving the roads is seen as an economic benefit, most would see it as a deficit. Clearing litter, another gain! One hotelier I got to like was particularly scathing about walkers, ” come here want a days Free parking , bring their sandwiches and coffee, then p** off home and think they have done Norfolk a favour“.

Goweresque · Aug 1, 2020

Exfarmer said:
Having been involved on the economic benefits Of tourism in the past I can assure you it is nowhere near as clear as you suggest.
for a start the cost of improving the roads is seen as an economic benefit, most would see it as a deficit. Clearing litter, another gain! One hotelier I got to like was particularly scathing about walkers, ” come here want a days Free parking , bring their sandwiches and coffee, then p** off home and think they have done Norfolk a favour“.

Well such visitors wouldn't show up in the GVA figures then would they? If they didn't spend one penny in Norfolk there would be no accounting for their visit in the GVA figures. The figures I quoted represent money spent in the local economy. Not visitor numbers.

Ali_Maxxum · Aug 1, 2020

I got stuck behind a pack of cyclists that just kept sending it past a layby the other day. ONE of them stopped and shouted to them to pull over to let me past. I wont start that one though....

TheTallGuy · Aug 1, 2020

betweenthelines said:
Take it you've never worked in the tourist industry? Even in the good times, the staff were lucky to get minimum wage and only worked 4 weeks a year.

Tourism is petty cash compared to the impact farming has on the local economy

Well given that school holidays are normally 6 weeks & the peak usually extends either side I would suggest that 4 weeks is somewhat pessimistic. Most folk I know with tourist season work are usually working from summer half term through to the beginning of October.

Graham2123 · Aug 1, 2020

Think you need to take a holiday with them.

Exfarmer · Aug 2, 2020

Goweresque said:
Well such visitors wouldn't show up in the GVA figures then would they? If they didn't spend one penny in Norfolk there would be no accounting for their visit in the GVA figures. The figures I quoted represent money spent in the local economy. Not visitor numbers.

Maintenance of footpaths, carparks, all count towards the GVA. The reason i was involved in that debate was during one of the countryside lockdowns.
some long winded speaker had got up and told the assembly, that the ramblers bought millions into the local economy, my hotelier friend put a completely different face on it.
i was shocked what does get bought in to the value of tourism, by the same right, when calculating the value of farming, the whole tourist industry should be included as they come to see the beautiful countryside, which is maintained by farming.

betweenthelines · Aug 2, 2020

Goweresque said:
I severely doubt that.

https://www.tourismalliance.com/downloads/TA_408_435.pdf

Tourism has a Gross Value Added (GVA) of about £68bn per year, for the UK as a whole. The South West attracts just over 12% of all tourism revenues, so its tourism GVA will be somewhere in the region of £8bn per year.

By comparison the entire UK agriculture sector has a GVA of somewhere between £8bn and £10bn, depending on output prices. The SW will be a fraction of that figure.

Tourism is FAR more important to the economy of the South West than farming is, both in overall financial contribution and employment.

Utter rubbish, tourism lives on the back of farming, like tics on a ewe. I suggest you research the number of full time permanent jobs in each industry-and don't forget the support industries like food processing & manufacturing, the supply industry etc. I also suggest that the farming value of the westcountry is a very large "fraction" of the GVA figure you quote.

So why was there such an uproar from the tourist industry when the countryside went into lockdown during FMD?

No one visits the westcountry to admire the scenic sink estates of Plymouth, Exeter or St Austell.

No farming = no tourism

Goweresque · Aug 2, 2020

betweenthelines said:
I suggest you research the number of full time permanent jobs in each industry

Economy of Cornwall - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Farming and food processing 12% of employment, tourism 20%.

Farming always thinks its so important, its not. Its been indulged for 70 years with subsidies, and that has swollen its head.

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