Farm assurance cost

T Hectares

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Berkshire
When RT first started I think it genuinely did some good, it dragged some farmers into sharpening up their storage and delivering a safer product.
This was 20+ years ago now and it just needs to get it's focus back to a simpler storage standards with an app to help record the info in real time.

That's all it is, we already have cross compliance and if an end user of our produce has a particular stipulation they will have it in the terns of their contracts RT doesn't need to badly double up on this...
 

ajd132

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Suffolk
When RT first started I think it genuinely did some good, it dragged some farmers into sharpening up their storage and delivering a safer product.
This was 20+ years ago now and it just needs to get it's focus back to a simpler storage standards with an app to help record the info in real time.

That's all it is, we already have cross compliance and if an end user of our produce has a particular stipulation they will have it in the terns of their contracts RT doesn't need to badly double up on this...
A huge amount of cost could be relinquished by the use of technology like a decent app
 

Humble Village Farmer

Member
BASE UK Member
Location
Essex
@Guy Smith The point An Gof raises about mills stipulating UK grain is assured (but imported grain is not assured), upsets the farmer members.

What do you think about this? What should RT do about the situation? Surely it's untenable, as at the moment it makes the RT scheme look shambolic. I think these rules need to be changed ASAP.
This is the crux of the debate for and against farm assurance. It disproves the need or desire for any scheme which either producer or consumer are fully committed to. It's a burden on the industry and gives unfair competition to imports.
 

Clive

Staff Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lichfield
A huge amount of cost could be relinquished by the use of technology like a decent app

there is absolutely no need for assessments that only prove that on one day everything was ok (or the farmer was prepared to say they were at least !). - zero credibility with consumer or farmer, there is zero integrity right now and horse meat and reps led chickens just confirm that with our customers

it actually makes us look bad right now - consumers are not stupid

technology should assess constantly and actually make life easier for the farmer - the cost of hundreds of assessors instantly saved lowering the cost of this scheme dramatically ........ i suggested this in a meeting with them 5 years ago, they said they were doing this .. ...........nothing has changed

then retain a few “advisors “that visit and actudly help those struggling to make the grade - “carrots not sticks !”.

it really does feel like a legal protection racket right now - that has to end

nothing not both grown and processed / packed etc in the uk should ever carry the red tractor brand - it’s should be a mark of 100% british quality produce and marketed as such to consumers


nothing will change though - a lot of the above is like asking turkeys to vote for christmas ! far to many have their nose in the quango trough !

Red tractor should be free and could be if the right model was adopted !
 

Drillman

Member
Mixed Farmer
To be honest the whole RT charade is leaving things wide open for a switched on business man to approach various end users and ask what they want from a assurance perceptive then set an alternative scheme up.

Apply some common sense get Farmers onside and they be away.

nothing wrong with a bit of competition imo😉
 

aangus

Member
Location
cumbria
Here are the fees from SAI Global from 1st April 2020

Beef & Lamb Inspection Fee £163.20 + Royalty £35.00 = £195.00 + VAT

Combinable Crops <80Ha Inspection Fee £180.54 + Royalty £25.00 = 205.54 + VAT
81-200Ha Inspevtion Fee £212.16 + Royalty £25.00 = £237.16 + VAT

Discount of £20 from total bill for two schemes assessed at same time.

So assuming you have cereals and beef and lambs scheme on 300 acre farm ball park figure is £400 ........... not forgetting all the associated compliance costs that will go with it.
Plus the vet wanting his cut too.........Feckers
 

Rossymons

Member
Location
Cornwall
Here are the fees from SAI Global from 1st April 2020

Beef & Lamb Inspection Fee £163.20 + Royalty £35.00 = £195.00 + VAT

Combinable Crops <80Ha Inspection Fee £180.54 + Royalty £25.00 = 205.54 + VAT
81-200Ha Inspevtion Fee £212.16 + Royalty £25.00 = £237.16 + VAT

Discount of £20 from total bill for two schemes assessed at same time.

So assuming you have cereals and beef and lambs scheme on 300 acre farm ball park figure is £400 ........... not forgetting all the associated compliance costs that will go with it.


£20 discount...how generous...
 

Humble Village Farmer

Member
BASE UK Member
Location
Essex
This is the crux of the debate for and against farm assurance. It disproves the need or desire for any scheme which either producer or consumer are fully committed to. It's a burden on the industry and gives unfair competition to imports.
Talking of which, my neighbour loaded a lorry this morning. The driver has been on nights hauling grain from Tilbury to stores around or just off the M25 for CJ Padfield and Frontier. He said it's German and Canadian milling wheat,10,000 last week alone.
 
Beware the 3 letter organisation and all that they support!!
That tractor scheme, the colour of wellies safety foundation, the bird inspection services and now linked up with a trailer safety scheme!!
A union turning into communism!! Selling their mantra.. as if its the only way!! And the problem is a lot of farmers believe in them.
All these schemes were started with the best will in the world to really make a difference in the agricultural world but then.. as all of them do.. they lose their way along the road.
I would like to think the saying "Sometimes you have to go down the wrong road to discover the correct way" will come true but it really wont.. they are bringing everybody down the wrong road and will keep going!!
 

Farmer_Joe

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
The North
don't forget the cost of 6 different pens to make the records look like they were not really all created the day before inspection !

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