Churches and farming

glasshouse

Member
Location
lothians
I have found a couple of examples of where a church is hosting a food market, there will be others. I see no reason why a church can't be a place of business for 3 hrs a week and a place of worship the other 165 hrs.
This thread has provided plenty of evidence that their days as a place of worship alone are numbered.
If the pitch fees provide income towards the upkeep that must be a positive ?
Agreed
 

glasshouse

Member
Location
lothians
It pains me that small rural cofe churches in every county are falling into disrepair, yet the Church Commission owns land and property valued at £2 billion.

I was brought up as a high church Anglican in a large, sub-urban parish. The parish had 3 churches (now 2). The main church was a large, traditional town church.

When the whole Fairtrade scheme started there was a sale in the church once a month, encouraging people to buy these weird & wonderful food and drink products from the corners of the globe that would give the producers a good standard of living. No thought was given to the local farming community and nothing was done to help them get a fairer price for the local produce that hadn't traveled thousands of miles to get the customers.

I would still describe myself as a Christian, even though I'm not practicing.
I once went to a breakfast meeting at the scottish parliament
We got bacon rolls, and the beverages were labelled thus
Fair trade coffee
Fair trade tea
Fair trade orange juice
Milk

i said, “ where is the fair trade scottish milk”?
Just got a vacant stare back
 
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Hooby Farmer

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Livestock Farmer
Location
roe valley
I must say our church is very good has full time staff in a foodbank, the big industrial shed is used for car bootsales the first Saturday of every month (precovid) and has a full time financial service that helps those in financial difficulties to restructure, advice etc along with many other things. They've realised they cannot be a place used once a week and have workedhard the last 10 years to be the hub of the community. More power to them, doing more good than harm.
 

glasshouse

Member
Location
lothians
I must say our church is very good has full time staff in a foodbank, the big industrial shed is used for car bootsales the first Saturday of every month (precovid) and has a full time financial service that helps those in financial difficulties to restructure, advice etc along with many other things. They've realised they cannot be a place used once a week and have workedhard the last 10 years to be the hub of the community. More power to them, doing more good than harm.
Its all very well helping the poor, but the church is part of the property industry that helps cause the problem.
The church was helping exploit the poor when they invested in wonga.com
 

glasshouse

Member
Location
lothians
Our local church still has the “lairds loft” where the landlord could sit and attend church while avoiding sitting with the plebs.
It has a seperate entrance so he could take off if he got bored
 
I must say our church is very good has full time staff in a foodbank, the big industrial shed is used for car bootsales the first Saturday of every month (precovid) and has a full time financial service that helps those in financial difficulties to restructure, advice etc along with many other things. They've realised they cannot be a place used once a week and have workedhard the last 10 years to be the hub of the community. More power to them, doing more good than harm.


Not too dissimilar to the local Cattle Market. The years of sufficient disciples to fund operations from a single day of turnover per week are long gone.
 

Hilly

Member
Must admit that several times when I have had ace yields I've bunged a few hundred to the church. I'm not often frantic with prayer but certainly in the past I've promised a percentage to God if the rain would stop and I could get the oats / wheat cut, and I always keep my side of the arrangement.
Do they bung you some back on a bad year ? No need answer I know the answer .
 

JCMaloney

Member
Location
LE9 2JG
I must say our church is very good has full time staff in a foodbank, the big industrial shed is used for car bootsales the first Saturday of every month (precovid) and has a full time financial service that helps those in financial difficulties to restructure, advice etc along with many other things. They've realised they cannot be a place used once a week and have workedhard the last 10 years to be the hub of the community. More power to them, doing more good than harm.

I think a lot of Church`s have adapted well and stepped forward in these strange times.
A lot of the local Covid effort has been driven by a range of religious groups in their communities, it seems that people of a religious/spiritual nature are more likely to volunteer.
Keeping that going will be the challenge.
 

flowerpot

Member
There is a church in Hereford City centre that has a very good cafe, it is very, very popular (or was up until ....)

Putting in an upper floor has also brought people up closer to the carvings in the roof - and there is a Very Rude Man showing everything! I bet the wood carver thought his secret was safe.

Farmers had to send a tythe payment to the local church of course, something that was most unpopular, but I think it is probably how the churches survived. Lots and lots were in a terrible state of decay after the Civil War and the 18th century wasn't either a very wealthy time nor a particularly church going time. It was the good old Victorians who rescued lots of church and even old castles that were falling down.

Records from our local church show that the local vicar was spending all the money that was supposed to go to educating the children on the fabric of the church.

Having the church as a local focus is a good idea though if it is in a suitable place.
 

britt

Member
BASE UK Member
Exactly the same here, I am treasurer of a small church in Leicestershire and the insurance is our biggest cost. We are still struggling to get a new roof following metal theft. One of the problems is I just don't have the time to plough through all the grant applications. Once we have a roof then we are working towards taking pews out, getting a loo and kitchen for community use (no village hall) as well as maintaining worship.
Our Parish Clerk ( Parish Council, not PCC) is familiar with grants available, and how to fill in the forms, and makes applications on behalf of groups in the Parish. It may be worth speaking to yours, even if you need to point them in the right direction.
 

DrWazzock

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire
A welfare centre or social hub is a very good idea in any village. If it’s based at one end of the church then I can’t see a problem with it. Really that’s more important than a regular formal service. Every village needs such a social centre even if it’s based around a private venue such as a cafe or pub.
The village I used to live in had a good local pub which helped build a sense of community.
The village I live in now (or on the edge of) has no amenities at all other than the church which is now closed as it’s too dangerous to enter due to the state of the ceiling. There was a private cafe/tearoom which was very beneficial to locals but it’s presently closed. Hopefully it will reopen under new management and once more we will have a local social hub. These things aren’t just of commercial importance, they have much wider benefits.
 

Grassman

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Location
Derbyshire
I have said for many years churches need to get rid of the religious bit and be more of a community thing.
Let's face it with modern education most now know that most of it is a made up fairy story with good intentions.
Move with the times and churches will thrive.
 

muleman

Member
I have said for many years churches need to get rid of the religious bit and be more of a community thing.
Let's face it with modern education most now know that most of it is a made up fairy story with good intentions.
Move with the times and churches will thrive.
No, i think get back to teaching and believing the bible and they will thrive in my opinion!
That, and if and when there is a Holy Spirit led revival!
If people see things starting to happen more will become curious and interested and before long more people in villages and towns will be attending than not,
I can envisage this happening!🙂
 

kmo

Member
Location
E. Wales
Perhaps Hereford Diocese is a bit more enlightened than some.
Grosmont Church nave is licensed for "music, drama, and the sale and consumption of alcohol "
Yarpole church contains a shop and a Post Office.
 

Macsky

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Highland
I have said for many years churches need to get rid of the religious bit and be more of a community thing.
Let's face it with modern education most now know that most of it is a made up fairy story with good intentions.
Move with the times and churches will thrive.
On the contrary, churches that have tried to move with the times, dropping whichever part of the bible is deemed offensive at the time, and trying to keep on the right side of popular opinion, are the ones that are emptying the fastest. If churches don’t preach the truth of the bible and the hope of the gospel, what do they offer that can’t be obtained in any other secular offering? Not much.
 

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