Teachers during the virus emergency

I don't doubt many teachers have done every thing they can to help pupils & the greater society. Also doubtless a percentage of teachers may have to isolate or even retire early due to health conditions

But the unions just any excuse to be arkward & kick the government.

Goodness knows how the kids will turn out.

Is it possible to volunteer to "Teach for Britain" to help the schools.
 

Hindsight

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I don't doubt many teachers have done every thing they can to help pupils & the greater society. Also doubtless a percentage of teachers may have to isolate or even retire early due to health conditions

But the unions just any excuse to be arkward & kick the government.

Goodness knows how the kids will turn out.

Is it possible to volunteer to "Teach for Britain" to help the schools.

There was an article in todays The Sunday Times. Several posts in the comments section. Many quite harsh against teachers. I have no axe to grind but put in the comment I wondered how many teachers over the age of 50 have explored their option for early retirement. Looks as though schools opening and getting the kids back is going to be the totem of the government for the coming few weeks. May get interesting. I did say in another thread on here a few weeks ago that touched on schools reopening that a few teacher casualties will be an unfortunate but accepted collateral damage.
 

Hindsight

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Lincolnshire
Unions have no intention of letting the teachers do any work. Word is that one covid case and school shuts down. I'm weighing up not sending mine back after reading what secondary school life will be like.

But surely one covid case and the school will have to close - how can it be otherwise? Hospitals have to carry on. Buses / trains have carried on but schools - will parents keep sending their children if covid kicks off in a school. Especially if any parent or close relative is in an at risk group.

No doubt we shall see lots of political posterior kicking. And I see today the preparation for a ministerial sacking - though goodness knows what good that will do, apart from give Bojo a headline or two. Look what is happening in other countries. Fortunately we do not have school age children. Just two of graduate age - who look increasingly likely to also be caught in the Covid crossfire. What a mess.
 
If unions shut down schools

Can qualifications be relaxed & volunteers teach the kids from text books.

My Aunt taught typeing at night school & no training in teaching other subjects, but when needed taught almost anything to anybody. She worked alongside David Blunkett at one time (although she never had a child , oddly enougth)
 

Landrover

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I'm not denying that some teachers have worked very hard during this current situation, but I am appalled by the attitude of some, whether it's the view of their union or the teachers themselves kids NEED to go back to school in September, the knock on effect of them not being at school is unacceptable not only is their education is suffering and kids need to be around other kids. My wife has been out of work since lockdown started and doesn't qualify for any of the furlough schemes unlike the teachers who have been on full pay and also many are getting a pay rise even though some have had what is basically a six month paid holiday ! I'm not anti teacher btw some do a great job but some of them......
 

GeorgeC1

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I'm not denying that some teachers have worked very hard during this current situation, but I am appalled by the attitude of some, whether it's the view of their union or the teachers themselves kids NEED to go back to school in September, the knock on effect of them not being at school is unacceptable not only is their education is suffering and kids need to be around other kids. My wife has been out of work since lockdown started and doesn't qualify for any of the furlough schemes unlike the teachers who have been on full pay and also many are getting a pay rise even though some have had what is basically a six month paid holiday ! I'm not anti teacher btw some do a great job but some of them......
Pretty much most teachers are/were still teaching, via zoom, Skype etc
 

DrWazzock

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Arable Farmer
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Lincolnshire
Last time I looked teaching was a professional career opted for by free choice not something like conscription into the armed forces. So if they get too much stick they’ll walk like anybody else would thankyou very much.
What surprises me is that so many teachers can still be bothered to take the humiliation and abuse dished out regularly by the pupils in their care with many parents seeming to think they can dump their problem kids on to them like some kind of behavioural correction or psychiatric remedial service. I’d guess in about five years that parents and governors won’t be able to find teaching staff at all for some of the rougher schools. And teachers like the police has been left largely powerless to defend themselves and now even raising your voice against a pupil can get you hauled in front of the governors for “ humiliation”. Humiliation of the teacher is fine though.
During this lockdown my wife’s school has had phone calls from parents pleading to allow their child to go to school, not because said parents even has a job but because said parent can not cope with the behavioural problems of their own child one to one, yet my Mrs is expected to keep a class of thirty such urchins under control and deal with their poor behaviour, most of which stems from bad parenting.
Let’s be honest. a lot of so called education is actually a state sponsored child minding service. A lot of parents don’t actually like their kids around the place and would rather they were somewhere else which begs the question why they have to have them in the first place, particularly if this necessitates both of them working all hours god sends to support them. Doesn’t leave much slack in the system does it? But then somebody else is expected to take it up. Oh yes, dump them on the schools. They’ll sort it out.
 

GeorgeC1

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My wife is a teacher. And a very conscientious one at that. But not all are the same. She is appalled at the attitudes pushed by the unions. But then, what else do you really expect from unions anyway? They exist to milk concessions from government.

Without unions we wouldn't have most of the working rights we have, holiday pay, decent working conditions etc. We need more in unions, not less imo.
 

GeorgeC1

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Last time I looked teaching was a professional career opted for by free choice not something like conscription into the armed forces. So if they get too much stick they’ll walk like anybody else would thankyou very much.
What surprises me is that so many teachers can still be bothered to take the humiliation and abuse dished out regularly by the pupils in their care with many parents seeming to think they can dump their problem kids on to them like some kind of behavioural correction or psychiatric remedial service. I’d guess in about five years that parents and governors won’t be able to find teaching staff at all for some of the rougher schools. And teachers like the police has been left largely powerless to defend themselves and now even raising your voice against a pupil can get you hauled in front of the governors for “ humiliation”. Humiliation of the teacher is fine though.
During this lockdown my wife’s school has had phone calls from parents pleading to allow their child to go to school, not because said parents even has a job but because said parent can not cope with the behavioural problems of their own child one to one, yet my Mrs is expected to keep a class of thirty such urchins under control and deal with their poor behaviour, most of which stems from bad parenting.
Let’s be honest. a lot of so called education is actually a state sponsored child minding service. A lot of parents don’t actually like their kids around the place and would rather they were somewhere else which begs the question why they have to have them in the first place, particularly if this necessitates both of them working all hours god sends to support them. Doesn’t leave much slack in the system does it? But then somebody else is expected to take it up. Oh yes, dump them on the schools. They’ll sort it out.

It's also a massive govt failing as well, they need to pump more money into and reform the education system, make it actually appealing to be a teacher, just like junior doctors they are getting hammered on all sides ranging from Media to the govt and much of the public.

I don't even know what they'll do if they can't find enough teachers.
 

The Agrarian

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Northern Ireland
Without unions we wouldn't have most of the working rights we have, holiday pay, decent working conditions etc. We need more in unions, not less imo.

As self employed, and a very small employer, I don't agree with holiday pay. Rather than get paid for my days off, I have to pay someone to cover them for me, on top of my holiday cost. Meanwhile I legally have to pay people for not doing any work. I'd much prefer to increase the hourly rate and remove holiday pay. The government doesn't have any idea what is the right number of days off for an individual.
 

GeorgeC1

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As self employed, and a very small employer, I don't agree with holiday pay. Rather than get paid for my days off, I have to pay someone to cover them for me, on top of my holiday cost. Meanwhile I legally have to pay people for not doing any work. I'd much prefer to increase the hourly rate and remove holiday pay. The government doesn't have any idea what is the right number of days off for an individual.

I believe statutory minimum amount of holiday days per year are vital for peoples well being, whilst it might make it a bit harder for small companies on the whole it's a good move for peoples rights imo.
 

DrWazzock

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Arable Farmer
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Lincolnshire
I get the bit about the unions. But as as ever there is another side to it. Just like its become acceptable to turn up at A & E after a night of self inflicted alcohol poisoning and expect the NHS to sort you out for free while mouthing off at them and assaulting them while they try to help you, there is now an expectation that teachers and other public employees will put up with any old shite because, well, I'm not sure really. But that's the twisted selfish inconsiderate society we seem to live in. Everything is seen as a right nowadays not a privilege. That's the bit that gets me. And the government think if they say something enough times and loudly enough then it must be right. Well they have made plenty of U turns since January so I hardly believe most of what they say now, even if they do claim to be "led by the science". In reality they say anything that raises their popularity ratings with their voters, nothing more, nothing less.
 

robs1

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Unions can be good but like politicians etc they seem to attract people who arent any good at doing anything but talk . They destroyed much of the car industry in the UK in the 70's and also the coal industry due to their closed minds to change, that's not to say all managers are any better.
 
I get the bit about the unions. But as as ever there is another side to it. Just like its become acceptable to turn up at A & E after a night of self inflicted alcohol poisoning and expect the NHS to sort you out for free while mouthing off at them and assaulting them while they try to help you, there is now an expectation that teachers and other public employees will put up with any old shite because, well, I'm not sure really. But that's the twisted selfish inconsiderate society we seem to live in. Everything is seen as a right nowadays not a privilege. That's the bit that gets me. And the government think if they say something enough times and loudly enough then it must be right. Well they have made plenty of U turns since January so I hardly believe most of what they say now, even if they do claim to be "led by the science". In reality they say anything that raises their popularity ratings with their voters, nothing more, nothing less.

When I was at school the bad uns were put in one class looked after by Mr Sunderland.

Anyone out of order had a board rubber thrown at them. The classroom at dinner time usually had someone sand papering a desk. His difficult pupils usually became polite labourers or working semi skilled.

When all the restrictions came in on discpline, Mr Sunderland had a nervous breakdown. That type of pupil now becomes a drug dealer, car thief etc.
 

GeorgeC1

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When I was at school the bad uns were put in one class looked after by Mr Sunderland.

Anyone out of order had a board rubber thrown at them. The classroom at dinner time usually had someone sand papering a desk. His difficult pupils usually became polite labourers or working semi skilled.

When all the restrictions came in on discpline, Mr Sunderland had a nervous breakdown. That type of pupil now becomes a drug dealer, car thief etc.

Now that society has a greater understanding of things like Autism, aspergers etc.. many of those students would've been better off with the correct support, many autistic or those with some kind of SEN were pretty much written off and thrown into the naughty class, hence why corporal punishments aren't really effective in schools.
 

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