I do hope my wife (a teacher and mother to our 3 children) doesn't end up as collateral damage.
Teachers during the virus emergency
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I do hope my wife (a teacher and mother to our 3 children) doesn't end up as collateral damage.
Quite a few on this forum should be sent off to sandpaper something. Preferably their own faces.
What about the attitude of some of the parents? Out of a particular GCSE class of 18, my missus only received regular work returned from 3. Many parents off on furlough but couldn't be bothered to get little Johnny to do his school work, yet you can bet your bottom dollar they'll be the first to complain when little Johnny gets an E in his science.
kiwi pom
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I was a member of a union for 10 years, I didn't really want to be but really didn't have much choice. They have their place I suppose but often negotiate a worse deal than a good employee could get. I found them to be extremely negative, spending all their time helping the broken arses whilst doing nothing to support good workers. Any genuine disputes, where you'd actually need them and they were pretty average really (not that I ever needed them)
"I'm entitled to" was their favourite line. The company actually wanted to do some pretty good stuff that would have helped the good staff but they were blocked at every turn.
Unions work via working for the entirety of the unions membership rather then individual workers, not to say they don't support individuals either, my dad is a member of the RMT, they're very influential.
Individuals never have the collective bargaining power compared to organised labour, most companies won't do anything unless they are forced to or it hurts profits.
itsalwaysme
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There is mention on here somewhere (maybe fly tipping thread) about council lengthsmen, when I was at school there was a "lengthsman" who would today probably be diagnosed with one or more of these conditions, autism, aspergers or whatever, he got on with his job kept the place tidy and probably worked his whole life, he used to give sweets to the kids over the fence at dinnertime (he'd probably be run out of town for that these days) Nowadays he'd probably be given a label for his condition and very likely spend most of his life on benefits not working, which longterm would probably do more harm too his mental health.
I used to be friendly with someone who had a daughter who had trouble with learning etc etc, had various tests for mental health issues, nothing confirmed, left school had a couple of jobs lasting a couple of weeks, various boyfriends lasting about the same time, becomes pregnant, can't cope with the child, gran becomes primary carer, more mental health tests at various hospitals etc, by this time she is about 20 pregnant again (has an abortion this time) The day comes to get the results for all the tests, come back made up that she's been given a diagnosis of some rare condition, the fact that she was made up about this condition wasn't that she now knew what she was dealing with or that she might be able to get some treatment, no in her words "it means i'll never have to work again" soon becomes pregnant again and has child number two.
Maybe Mr Sunderland's board rubber (in @Devil's advocate post above) would have been a better "treatment"
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- Lincolnshire
In some classes nearly every child arrives with a “statement” usually something from the county trick cyclist or some other agency to say that we have to meet their every whim and fancy and not get cross with them at all. So those kids are basically free to run amok and often do, taking up 90% of the teachers time and reducing the chances of the other kids being able to receive a proper education. One day a locum PE teacher arrives at school to do some cover and wasn’t aware of the “statements”. He shouted at one or two kids when they stepped out of line rather than negotiating with them and order and proper learning was restored. He got hauled over the coals for it though.
In my view if you misbehave or abuse any public service, schools, hospitals or otherwise you should be chucked out the front door until you learn some manners, no excuses or find a private institution who will accept you and pay full rate to go there. The state isn’t there to be taken for a ride. It’s a two way process of mutual respect and responsibility.
In my view if you misbehave or abuse any public service, schools, hospitals or otherwise you should be chucked out the front door until you learn some manners, no excuses or find a private institution who will accept you and pay full rate to go there. The state isn’t there to be taken for a ride. It’s a two way process of mutual respect and responsibility.
Teachers and people need to be aware of behavioural impacts these various Autistic spectrum conditions, aspergers have etc.. I'm on the Autistic spectrum and so is my brother (we both have Dyspraxia/ASD to various extents as it's genetic) so I was in these Units - luckily I am very high functioning though but i do have experience in what these things actually do to people.
Shouting at someone with aspergers for example does nothing as they aren't socially driven (so won't really feel embarrassment) or have the tact or emotional toolkit to deal with it.
Whilst I agree that there are many people on the spectrum, many also use it as an excuse for bad behaviour usually caused by poor discipline in the home. These people only take help and support from those who really need it.
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The kids with Aspergers or autism aren’t the ones that cause trouble. They usually want to work, and get upset by the disruption caused by others who are just hell bent on drawing attention to themselves and causing a scene. They are just plain evil, but there’s always an excuse for it or some kind of get out for them. They make life a misery for those around them more specially those with genuine conditions like autism who they will bully mercilessly given half a chance. They are given chance after chance by the governing body who don’t actually have to deal with them personally. Their parents will often make a complaint t about the teacher so they are invited in to discuss their child’s behavioural problems but they don’t show up to the appointment.
Yes I think it would be a very good idea if people did volunteer to “ teach for Britain”. They’d see what a screwed up system the welfare state has become.
The diagnosis of these things has got so much better in the last few years, my son has A.D.D and is on the autism spectrum, and his school couldn't have been better at helping him, we are lucky that it is a small village school tho, he's moving to middle school in September and we've made the choice to send him to a one 3 times the distance away than our local one simply on the strength of there sends department, some of his classmates are going there too as well which helps.
Storeman
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I was once a member of a union. Compete and utter waste of time and money. When we needed them to help with iffy redundancies, they basically sided with the company and stuck two fingers up at us. Never again.
Northernlights
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- NE Scotland
Was into my local surgery two weeks ago for a pneumococcal vaccine I should have had last autumn from nurse but I was the only one there in the middle of the afternoon.It was eerily quiet with lots of screens, blocked off chairs and arrows on the floor .You were unlocked in and locked again remotely once inside.I think nearly all GP appointments are done by phone or video now so really not setting good example to the teaching profession. As an aside know of several newly qualified GPs who only work parttime as the pay is fairly good and no incentive to work long hours.
I understand those on the front line in the hospitals really do have to expose themselves to risk but have to be fully booted and suited for their 12 hour shifts
Hindsight
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- Lincolnshire
Hi, I most sincerely hope so to for your wife and your family bit also for all involved in schools, the teaching staff and all the support staff who work to make schools tick. My comment was quite loose. Just that it seems government understandably is determined to have schools open and operating full time. But I have yet a a lay person with no involvement in schools seen the plan for individual schools should CV19 break out in a school. All I saw was in The Times newspaper a few days ago when the gist seemed to be anyone tested with CV19 would be told to self isolate but the school would stay functioning - this seemed the imparative. I just wonder how that would actually occur in practice. Anyway time will tell. I do wish your wife the best.
Neither Mrs yin ewe or myself have any problem with her returning to work, it is where teachers and pupils alike should be. Unfortunately on the face of it there appears to be little planning put in place for the return. She is back in school tomorrow so is hopeful that she will have more information by this time tomorrow.
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- Northern Ireland
My missus is prepared to go back on call as a sub. She says NASUWT has circulated forms for teachers to fill out if they feel they have any reason to object to having to work in the school environment, and to forward to their principal. If what she expects happens, there will be some gaps in staffing to fill.
You aren't going to keep Covid out of schools. That's a pipe dream. Schools must get running. They've been off for too long. I think they should have been off for no more than a month before returning. Would at least have kept kids in discipline, even if it wasn't smooth running.
You aren't going to keep Covid out of schools. That's a pipe dream. Schools must get running. They've been off for too long. I think they should have been off for no more than a month before returning. Would at least have kept kids in discipline, even if it wasn't smooth running.
Hindsight
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- Lincolnshire
Hope all goes well.
Hindsight
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- Lincolnshire
Hope all goes well. I have chatted to folk who are teachers living in my village. As you say they want to get back teaching. But they are into their fifties with older parents albeit healthy and living at a distance but are nervous for themselves and for fear of becoming carriers - thus wondering how to cope. These problems will be with us for a while. Best wishes.
and how many of those health service employees have died unnecessary because the government didn't give them the right PPE and support
caveman
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I have...
Two daughters (secondary) and a daughter in law (primary) , full time teaching.
Another daughter teaching piano at home (all ages) and music in primary school.
All have young families. (Ten grandchildren).
A wife who teaches piano at home (all ages) and individual piano in primary school. (About fifty pupils total).
Haven't been able to touch any of my kids and kiddies for six months or so now.
Life's a bitch and could get a lot worse if schooling goes "back to normal" in September.
Feeling like the grim reaper is close behind me.
Two daughters (secondary) and a daughter in law (primary) , full time teaching.
Another daughter teaching piano at home (all ages) and music in primary school.
All have young families. (Ten grandchildren).
A wife who teaches piano at home (all ages) and individual piano in primary school. (About fifty pupils total).
Haven't been able to touch any of my kids and kiddies for six months or so now.
Life's a bitch and could get a lot worse if schooling goes "back to normal" in September.
Feeling like the grim reaper is close behind me.
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