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Cowcorn

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Two Tone said:
Maybe they already do.
Ah, than explains it!
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A Holland man through and through ...... As a massey and holland man when it comes to tractors and presently a massey combine man i can honestly say that their combines while well designed are let down by pee poor build quality and cheap components . A bit more strength and good old British steel would have made all the difference . While tyrekicking around the local claas dealers the other day i gave a 91 NH TX 32 the once over and could not get over how strong and simple it was . With a price tag of 12 grand euros that is it looked like very good value . Not this year but maybe when the harvest is over i will make an offer .
Or sooner if the weather doesent improve .
 
Exfarmer

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Two Tone said:
Correct. But Allis-Chalmers made tractors and other farm machinery way before they made any Gleaner Combines.
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Allis Chalmers were a cooperative of different manufacturers and not as such an individual company, not sure when Gleaner joined.
the history of combine development is interesting. Fiat aquired gleaner technology , when New Holland aquired Fiat ( or vice versa ) I think Clayson or Claes technology was dumped. The rotor technology comes with a long history starting in Switzerland!
 
Two Tone

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Exfarmer said:
Allis Chalmers were a cooperative of different manufacturers and not as such an individual company, not sure when Gleaner joined.
the history of combine development is interesting. Fiat aquired gleaner technology, when New Holland aquired Fiat ( or vice versa ) I think Clayson or Claes technology was dumped. The rotor technology comes with a long history starting in Switzerland!
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Allis-Chalmers aquired Gleaner in 1955.

Can assure you that the Clayson/Claeys technology was never dumped! In fact their latest NH New Combine, the CH7.70 still uses the same (Imperial) original diameter drum and rasp bars that Leon Claeys designed for his 1950’s M133 Combine!

It was definitely Fiat that aquired NH, which had previously been bought by Ford. Fiat bought the whole of the Ford Agricultural division (and trucks). Then decided to use the NH name for all its tractors and renamed the Ford trucks as Iveco.

The Ford/NH 40 series Tractors actually had what was in effect a Fiat Tratori back end. Very good they were too!

Ironically, Fiat originally owned Laverda Combines, which became part of the AGCO group. I think Fiat made the right decision as to which Combine they ended up with.
 
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Two Tone said:
Allis-Chalmers aquired Gleaner in 1955.

Can assure you that the Clayson/Claeys technology was never dumped! In fact their latest NH New Combine, the CH7.70 still uses the same (Imperial) original diameter drum and rasp bars that Leon Claeys designed for his 1950’s M133 Combine!

It was definitely Fiat that aquired NH, which had previously been bought by Ford. Fiat bought the whole of the Ford Agricultural division (and trucks). Then decided to use the NH name for all its tractors and renamed the Ford trucks as Iveco.

The Ford/NH 40 series Tractors actually had what was in effect a Fiat Tratori back end. Very good they were too!

Ironically, Fiat originally owned Laverda Combines, which became part of the AGCO group. I think Fiat made the right decision as to which Combine they ended up with.
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60 series had the fiat back end, 40 series were the last of the Ford tractors
 
Farma Parma

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No Knocking what this so called IDEAL combines intentions are... & of course branding it with both names on widens the appeal of course it does.
But they have some work too do, being basically last in the combine que for the best part of 40 odd years your on a long road to gain much ground
iam sure they know this very well tho.
Best time too look at them is in another 5 years.
Meanwhile there is more than plenty from the other 4 major players in this game in the UK & two of them pretty much got that job sown up.
 
Farma Parma

Farma Parma

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Two Tone said:
Allis-Chalmers aquired Gleaner in 1955.

Can assure you that the Clayson/Claeys technology was never dumped! In fact their latest NH New Combine, the CH7.70 still uses the same (Imperial) original diameter drum and rasp bars that Leon Claeys designed for his 1950’s M133 Combine!

It was definitely Fiat that aquired NH, which had previously been bought by Ford. Fiat bought the whole of the Ford Agricultural division (and trucks). Then decided to use the NH name for all its tractors and renamed the Ford trucks as Iveco.

The Ford/NH 40 series Tractors actually had what was in effect a Fiat Tratori back end. Very good they were too!

Ironically, Fiat originally owned Laverda Combines, which became part of the AGCO group. I think Fiat made the right decision as to which Combine they ended up with.
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on one of MIKEs videos he shows the ID plate on the chassis on the IDEAL combines & guess whats clearly stamped on every single one
LAVERDA !
 
daveydiesel1

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I see plenty of videos on tik tok of fleets of ideal combines in america and canada. If its good enough for them teams they must be doin somethin right
 
Tommcfoster

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I have heard of one going to do a demo last weekend in Hampshire and it lost power and hadn’t been fixed on tuesday. Mechanics don’t know how to fix it.
 
Happy

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Two Tone said:
Ironically, Fiat originally owned Laverda Combines, which became part of the AGCO group. I think Fiat made the right decision as to which Combine they ended up with.
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Two big parts sheds at MF Breganze combine factory. One for new machines the other spares.
A lot of the stuff on the shelves in the spares shed was still in NH packaging when I was there a few years ago.

Going to be very hard for MF to get out of hole they are in with combines. Every single issue the ideal has is going to be cast against it even when as @tom3690 says it’s down to stone damage or green straw.

Can‘t remember exact figure of what they said their UK Combine market share once was at it’s peak but it was huge. Over 75%. Shows how far things went wrong and how big a task they have on their hands.
 
Exfarmer

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Happy said:
Two big parts sheds at MF Breganze combine factory. One for new machines the other spares.
A lot of the stuff on the shelves in the spares shed was still in NH packaging when I was there a few years ago.

Going to be very hard for MF to get out of hole they are in with combines. Every single issue the ideal has is going to be cast against it even when as @tom3690 says it’s down to stone damage or green straw.

Can‘t remember exact figure of what they said their UK Combine market share once was at it’s peak but it was huge. Over 75%. Shows how far things went wrong and how big a task they have on their hands.
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you have to remember that while CNH have apparently retained the drum dimensions of a combine from history in one of their latest models . AGCO have absolutely no remaining combine history of their own. The last MF plant was sold by Massey Ferguson in their final bankruptcy death throws.
AGCO in current form are relying on cast out technology from the CNH group who as mentioned above retained the best
 
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Tommcfoster said:
I have heard of one going to do a demo last weekend in Hampshire and it lost power and hadn’t been fixed on tuesday. Mechanics don’t know how to fix it.
I "KNOW " of a one working in Hampshire that has so far this Harvest cut over 2000 acres and it's not had a single problem , I guess there is good and bad of all makes
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ollie989898

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Chae1 said:
We ran a MF prototype combine on harvest crew I worked on back in 2001. Wasn't outstandingly good or bad. Do remember the guy that was with it crying one night due to frustration with it! Was a English guy, Bob something that was in charge of design of it.

Think we got it because they had gleaner combines and agco connection. I preferred the 2388 axial flows the brother ran.
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2388 was a classic machine. Didn't set the world on fire but it was cheap to buy and fairly simple to run. Great little machines.
 

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