Extinction, the facts BBC.

tepapa · Sep 13, 2020

Seems like the BBC are still blaming farmers for biodiversity loss. Apparently soya is grown to feed livestock rather than grown for oil with the waste product used for livestock. Also our consumption of beef is destroying the rain forest. On a global scale maybe but there was no distinction that British people, buying British beef aren't consuming cheap beef from Brasil.

Dave6170 · Sep 13, 2020

I couldnt face watching it! No mention of grass holding carbon?
Bbc will be using the term 'facts' loosely

Bald Rick · Sep 13, 2020

Will be eating cheap beef from Brazil when this government do their trade deals.

U.K. farmers are heading for extinction

Devil's advocate · Sep 13, 2020

tepapa said:
Seems like the BBC are still blaming farmers for biodiversity loss. Apparently soya is grown to feed livestock rather than grown for oil with the waste product used for livestock. Also our consumption of beef is destroying the rain forest. On a global scale maybe but there was no distinction that British people, buying British beef aren't consuming cheap beef from Brasil.

I got a different message.

That already farmed land, a large percentage should still be farmed sustainably though.

It is clear the situation is extremely serious & will reduce living standards for generations to come.

It is very easy to look at others & say they should change. The only solution is to look at ourselves & try to be as sustainable as possible.

It is very sad where we are & although I can think of many improvements,but really the situation is hopeless.

We may be need to reconsider the way we see accumulation of possesions as sucess, easy said I know especially by someone wealthy like myself.

delilah · Sep 13, 2020

what programme was this then ?
you'd all be happier listening to the cricket

tepapa · Sep 13, 2020

One guy said it would help if we eat sustainably grown meat. I hope our marketing boards and unions are shouting from the rooftops (alternatively posting all over social media) that UK produced food is sustainable!

tepapa · Sep 13, 2020

delilah said:
what programme was this then ?
you'd all be happier listening to the cricket

BBC 1.
Don't worry the final episode of Strike is on next to calm my nerves

M-J-G · Sep 13, 2020

Glad I stopped paying my TV licence two years ago.

betweenthelines · Sep 13, 2020

I think the public are beginning to suffer "Environmental Crisis" burnout. So much talk that they're starting to not listen/believe it any more.

Just like Covid. Been told endlessly for six months that the more you interact with other people, the more chance you catch a possibly fatal illness and they've stopped taking any notice. More concerned with going to the pub or on a foreign holiday.

Clive · Sep 13, 2020

a lot of uk livestock is fed imported soya

I thought it was a good documentary- fact is if we carry on as we are doing this planet is toast. We can see these effects now, westher extremes and pandemics - nature is fighting back !

we don’t want to face it but our production of food is damaging, we should stop fighting criticism and see it as opportunity to find and provide solitions to this massive problem that oir customers want a solution to

Clive · Sep 13, 2020

tepapa said:
One guy said it would help if we eat sustainably grown meat. I hope our marketing boards and unions are shouting from the rooftops (alternatively posting all over social media) that UK produced food is sustainable!

agree - but not if its fed imported soya ! or grown with huge amounts of synthetic inputs / fertilisers

lets start by being more honest / realistic ?

Devil's advocate · Sep 13, 2020

betweenthelines said:
I think the public are beginning to suffer "Environmental Crisis" burnout. So much talk that they're starting to not listen/believe it any more.

Just like Covid. Been told endlessly for six months that the more you interact with other people, the more chance you catch a possibly fatal illness and they've stopped taking any notice. More concerned with going to the pub or on a foreign holiday.

I subscribed to a magazine when I was 11 back in 1975. World of Wildlife by Orbis publication. Pretty much predicted most of this & I've worried about the natural world all my life. We appear to have doubled in numbers since then.

A stat often quoted in the 80's & probbaly true today, HALF THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE EVER LIVED ARE ALIVE TODAY.

delilah · Sep 13, 2020

Can someone please nail this soya thing.
How much of the soya we feed is the waste from what the vegans want ? And how much is grown specifically to feed our livestock ?
confused.com

thorpe · Sep 13, 2020

betweenthelines said:
I think the public are beginning to suffer "Environmental Crisis" burnout. So much talk that they're starting to not listen/believe it any more.

Just like Covid. Been told endlessly for six months that the more you interact with other people, the more chance you catch a possibly fatal illness and they've stopped taking any notice. More concerned with going to the pub or on a foreign holiday.

i dont want to go to the pub , restraunt football or many other places went to market yestrerday i did enjoy that but not what i had to pay shame the banters not the same and miss seeing the vendors in the box.

Suffolk Serf · Sep 13, 2020

Clive said:
agree - but not if its fed imported soya ! or grown with huge amounts of synthetic inputs / fertilisers

lets start by being more honest / realistic ?

The mill that makes my pig food uses soya imported from Argentina. Having seen how it's produced in that country i'm very happy. They were practicing regenerative agriculture before we'd heard of it.
We also need that soya protein to make a balanced diet from all of the locally grown wheat that the diets are based on. Also, the protein component of many diets comes from rapeseed meal.

Raider112 · Sep 13, 2020

Clive said:
a lot of uk livestock is fed imported soya

I thought it was a good documentary- fact is if we carry on as we are doing this planet is toast. We can see these effects now, westher extremes and pandemics - nature is fighting back !

we don’t want to face it but our production of food is damaging, we should stop fighting criticism and see it as opportunity to find and provide solitions to this massive problem that oir customers want a solution to

The original point still stands about the valuable part of Soya (the oil) being used by humans and the byproduct fed to livestock.

Poorbuthappy · Sep 13, 2020

Clive said:
agree - but not if its fed imported soya ! or grown with huge amounts of synthetic inputs / fertilisers

lets start by being more honest / realistic ?

This is true and needs addressing.

BUT, there is more soya imported into the UK for human use than animal use. Besides the fact that the stuff used for animals is largely a by product of that used for human consumption.

If this is not acknowledged then it is ignoring the fact that promotion of vegan diets and dairy alternatives is only going to make the soya issue worse.

Devil's advocate · Sep 13, 2020

delilah said:
Can someone please nail this soya thing.
How much of the soya we feed is the waste from what the vegans want ? And how much is grown specifically to feed our livestock ?
confused.com

I may not have this right. But huge amounts fed in the country of production in feed lots to fatten cattleand other livestock for export. Mostly China but we get some too.

ISCO · Sep 13, 2020

I did not watch the programme as thought it would be same 'blame it on the cows' that has been pushed this last couple of years.
In my opinion no government in the world dare take the action necessary to control climate change, it would wreck the economy and be so unpopular they would soon be out of power. Imagine a manifesto commitment to limit flights and cut car use and unnecessary consumption- sure fire loser.
There seems to be a plan to cut meat consumption, use the land to plant trees and all will be fine.
I heard Mark Drayford today saying home working should continue in Wales where possible to help the environment whereas conservatives wanting everybody back to save city centre businesses.
Difficult decisions need to be taken balancing the economy and the environment which, at this time, no one wants to take so they blame the cows

Devil's advocate · Sep 13, 2020

I like to help & grow less cereals to sell for feed & keep grazing livestock myself grazing clover, hay in winter & by products. The truth is this is not the product that the consumer wants to actually buy. The consumer will choose the lean large joints produced by continental cattle fed an intensive diet.

The consumer wants Beltex lambs not super sustainable Rommneys, I could go on.

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