Methane - brilliant interview with Frank Mitloehner

DaveGrohl · Sep 18, 2020

This may well have been posted on here before, if so apols. Frank Mitloehner is doing sterling work in counteracting the vegan media driven methane bollox that we're being battered with. This interview absolutley nails every conceivable angle in this "debate". He has a really good way of explaining reasonably complicated science to those who don't understand such things whilst not being patronising to those who do. This is now my goto link for the idiots out there, can't recommend it highly enough.

Frank Mitloehner: Cattle, climate change and the methane myth

Dr. Frank Mitloehner has done the math on the livestock industry’s contribution to climate change. He is a professor in the Department of Animal Science at the University of California, Davis, specializing in measurement and mitigation of airborne pollutants from livestock production, including...

www.alltech.com

jendan · Sep 18, 2020

DaveGrohl said:
This may well have been posted on here before, if so apols. Frank Mitloehner is doing sterling work in counteracting the vegan media driven methane bollox that we're being battered with. This interview absolutley nails every conceivable angle in this "debate". He has a really good way of explaining reasonably complicated science to those who don't understand such things whilst not being patronising to those who do. This is now my goto link for the idiots out there, can't recommend it highly enough.

Frank Mitloehner: Cattle, climate change and the methane myth

Dr. Frank Mitloehner has done the math on the livestock industry’s contribution to climate change. He is a professor in the Department of Animal Science at the University of California, Davis, specializing in measurement and mitigation of airborne pollutants from livestock production, including...

www.alltech.com

Dont think we need to worry about cattle methane. The stuff coming out of Siberia,along with Carbon Dioxide and from California and Brazil. Visible from space circulating around the globe.I think we could be in for some very harsh winters,or ridiculously warm and wet ones.

essexpete · Sep 18, 2020

Have not had the time read the whole thing. So methane has a life of around 10 years in the various levels of atmospheres. No mention about what methane produces when it is broken down?

swedish red · Sep 18, 2020

essexpete said:
Have not had the time read the whole thing. So methane has a life of around 10 years in the various levels of atmospheres. No mention about what methane produces when it is broken down?

Mainly carbon dioxide.
Which less potent a greenhouse gas than methane.

essexpete · Sep 18, 2020

swedish red said:
Mainly carbon dioxide.
Which less potent a greenhouse gas than methane.

Is it not CO2 that we are told is the main cause of GW?

swedish red · Sep 18, 2020

Water vapour is the major culprit in GW followed by some gases.

wanton dwarf · Sep 18, 2020

swedish red said:
Water vapour is the major culprit in GW followed by some gases.

Water vapour is probably the biggest Climate gas/liquid/solid - both positive and negative .. water moves between the 3 different states so readily allowing energy to move from the surface up the column of the atmosphere .. returning to do exactly the same all over again through rain/snow fall.

But Global Warming all comes from the Sun .. CO2 didn't melt 1km thick of Ice on both hemispsheres 50,000 years ago with CO2 at less than half the level it is today .. CO2 does practically nothing. Infact I doubt very much that there is any evidence that the rate the world is warming is anything unusual - I doubt very much there are detailed records from the past Ice Ages to even attempt to state such.

I'd also point out as the permafrost thaws due to the fact we are coming OUT of an Ice Age .. there is no chance what-so-ever of any decrease in fossil fuel usage doing anything constructive at all.

wanton dwarf · Sep 18, 2020

essexpete said:
Is it not CO2 that we are told is the main cause of GW?

Only because it can be taxed .. but the only thing actually increasing temperatures as we come out of this Ice Age is the Sun. CO2 does as much as every other gas/liquid or solid .. which is basically not a lot.

DaveGrohl · Sep 18, 2020

And there was me thinking I'd posted a worthwhile piece about why methane from farmed ruminants was in no way causing any global warming whatsoever.....

Raider112 · Sep 18, 2020

DaveGrohl said:
And there was me thinking I'd posted a worthwhile piece about why methane from farmed ruminants was in no way causing any global warming whatsoever.....

Not had time to read it yet but I've read stuff from him before and he's the best spokesman we have so keep pushing it.

essexpete · Sep 18, 2020

Trouble is that's the whole point. As a layperson with only basic grasp of science what do I believe? Have heard strong convincing arguments from intelligent people for both sides of the GW and CO2 argument.

delilah · Sep 18, 2020

essexpete said:
Trouble is that's the whole point. As a layperson with only basic grasp of science what do I believe?

Fudge the science. Moving towards a low carbon economy will save lives, revitalize communities and create jobs. Oh, and benefit UK agriculture.

Top Tip. · Sep 18, 2020

I am really sceptical off the whole debate as I grew up in the seventies when the scientific community were all trying to convince us the next ice age was just round the corner.

linga · Sep 19, 2020

Top Tip. said:
I am really sceptical off the whole debate as I grew up in the seventies when the scientific community were all trying to convince us the next ice age was just round the corner.

But I don’t think they were.
I might be wrong but I seem to remember that even then there were more papers suggesting global warming Was likely to occur than the return of an ice age

wrenbird · Sep 19, 2020

Oh, but they were. Every evening on 'Nationwide' you would have a eccentric bloke trying to stand on top of an egg,or some such ridiculous madness, Richard Stilgoe with a witty ditty he had composed himself, and a scientist who would solemnly tell us we were all doomed because the track of the Gulf Stream was about to change,causing our winters to be much colder than Moscows, permafrost, and the return of the Woolly Mammoth.
He would have hard scientific evidence to back all of this up,charts etc, proving that winters like 1963 were going to be the new normal, indeed, that was going to look positively tropical compared to what was going to hit us in the future.

Tarw Coch · Sep 19, 2020

delilah said:
Fudge the science. Moving towards a low carbon economy will save lives, revitalize communities and create jobs. Oh, and benefit UK agriculture.

Except that no one really gives s fek, they all want their foreign holidays and fancy cars. I was surprised when CV cases started to rise again in Spain and a 14 day quarantine on return was introduced that there was half a million Brits out there. If the risk of CV doesn’t put them off travelling I doubt very much wether concerns about the environment will stop them. They may look for some simple gestures to prove to themselves that they’re doing their bit but that’s all it will be.
As one guy said to me recently after having been on a foreign holiday, life wouldn’t be worth living if I couldn’t go abroad on holiday. He goes on several every year

GeorgeK · Sep 19, 2020

swedish red said:
Mainly carbon dioxide.
Which less potent a greenhouse gas than methane.

The C02 is then reabsorbed by grass, which livestock eat, turn into methane and round it goes. So long as the number of livestock doesn't increase it's a self contained cycle and the amount of methane doesn't increase. This is unlike C02 from fossil fuels which releases it permanently from being stored underground

Gong Farmer · Sep 19, 2020

linga said:
But I don’t think they were.
I might be wrong but I seem to remember that even then there were more papers suggesting global warming Was likely to occur than the return of an ice age

Just check out Tony Heller on Youtube. He doesn't offer any opinions, just collects papers and news articles from recent and distant past. He recently showed New York Times articles with scientists warning of the next ice age, and another warning of melting ice caps and a warming Earth, just days apart.

There are no doubt reports somewhere from scientists warning of the remarkable similarity between an arse and an elbow.

Top Tip. · Sep 19, 2020

wrenbird said:
Oh, but they were. Every evening on 'Nationwide' you would have a eccentric bloke trying to stand on top of an egg,or some such ridiculous madness, Richard Stilgoe with a witty ditty he had composed himself, and a scientist who would solemnly tell us we were all doomed because the track of the Gulf Stream was about to change,causing our winters to be much colder than Moscows, permafrost, and the return of the Woolly Mammoth.
He would have hard scientific evidence to back all of this up,charts etc, proving that winters like 1963 were going to be the new normal, indeed, that was going to look positively tropical compared to what was going to hit us in the future.

That is the way I remember it too,I remember having sleepless nights as a teenager after watching documentaries telling us we were all doomed. The only difference now is that social media spreads it harder and faster.

yellowbelly · Sep 19, 2020

It all boils down to the fact that, ever since the world was created, things have been constantly changing.

Some organisms have been able to adapt and survive. Others, like dinosaurs have perished.

Modern 'dinosaurs' appear to be the idiots who want to pack themselves in aeroplanes and fly off the places that are having the second CV wave, others want to gather in raves and risk spreading it that way.

It's called natural selection. A bloke called Darwin spotted it first.

Methane - brilliant interview with Frank Mitloehner

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