EU threatens to ban UK ag and food exports to them

Cowabunga

Member
Location
Ceredigion,Wales
The BIG issue with state aid, (which by the way is part and parcel of all trade agreements to prevent one side using it to unfair advantage,) in this case is to do with NI.
Since NI, will remain within the customs union, and UK mainland won’t, the EU wants to prevent major mainland companies from using NI to get a de facto footprint within the customs union. EU wants to put a constraint on UK government from using state aid both financial and regulatory, to prevent abuse of this possible strategy.
NI is actually going to be in a great economics position going forward, assuming they raise their eyes, to directly servicing the EU market. They should be able to attract business from mainland state aid or no state aid.
They will soon see which side their bread is buttered and it won't be on the UK side.
 

Ashtree

Member
In fact, assuming NI businesses take full advantage of their unique position and it becomes ever more apparent, it will manifest itself in ever more grist to the mill of Scottish and Welsh nationalists. Scots in particular I guess!
 

robs1

Member
Bit rich of an irish contributor to complain about state aid when Ireland attracts companies by undercutting other countries tax rates. No difference to other state aids
 

Ashtree

Member
Bit rich of an irish contributor to complain about state aid when Ireland attracts companies by undercutting other countries tax rates. No difference to other state aids

Here we go again. Tax policy is a national competence, not EU. And so let’s talk about tax rates. UK, has cut its corporation tax rate to 19%, far below that of other EU countries. Specifically to attract business from EU.
Of course it can continue to reduce that rate going forward. Entirely legitimate.
 

Ukjay

Member
Location
Wales!
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VS our 19% which is comparable with many.

Maybe we should reduce it to flatten our higher level. Pay a bit more income tax and significantly reduce many corrupted benefits, including payment schemes.

I think the UK would be more favourable to investors then..
 

The Agrarian

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Northern Ireland
In fact, assuming NI businesses take full advantage of their unique position and it becomes ever more apparent, it will manifest itself in ever more grist to the mill of Scottish and Welsh nationalists. Scots in particular I guess!

Bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. It's unclear whether any actual advantage will apply to businesses in Northern Ireland because of this. A disadvantage to mainland GB doesn't imply Northern Ireland goods sales to the EU will be any easier than it is now.

Meanwhile trade is going to be disrupted between us and our main market. As a unionist who didn't vote for Brexit, I'm naturally livid about the disadvantages and the separations that may appear between us and the rest of the nation.
 

The Agrarian

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Northern Ireland
In fact, assuming NI businesses take full advantage of their unique position and it becomes ever more apparent, it will manifest itself in ever more grist to the mill of Scottish and Welsh nationalists. Scots in particular I guess!

Bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. It's unclear whether any actual advantage will apply to businesses in Northern Ireland because of this. A disadvantage to mainland GB doesn't imply Northern Ireland goods sales to the EU will be any easier than it is now.

Meanwhile trade is going to be disrupted between us and our main market. As a unionist who didn't vote for Brexit, I'm naturally livid about the disadvantages and the separations that may appear between us and the rest of the nation.
 

nivilla1982

Member
Livestock Farmer
The Government should challenge Irish America’s lies about the Good Friday Agreement
 

robs1

Member
Here we go again. Tax policy is a national competence, not EU. And so let’s talk about tax rates. UK, has cut its corporation tax rate to 19%, far below that of other EU countries. Specifically to attract business from EU.
Of course it can continue to reduce that rate going forward. Entirely legitimate.
That's the whole point Ireland is using state aid via low tax to subsidise companies, it's no different if you give a company a bung to come or charge them less tax the result is the same more after tax profit.
 

JimAndy

Member
Mixed Farmer
The Government should challenge Irish America’s lies about the Good Friday Agreement

so how do you propose how the UK put a Border on it only land Border with the EU, and also keep the peace
 

nivilla1982

Member
Livestock Farmer
The Irish border still exists, the Belfast Agreement did not do away with it, simply the large security installations were removed because the PIRA was incapable of a "military victory".
Who exactly is threatening violence? Do the "Dissident Republicans" have the capability?
 

arcobob

Member
Location
Norfolk
The sooner we have global free trade the better. Tariffs and sanctions are purely political. The lowest form of punishment of the proletariat by the ruling elites.
I saw the effect of sanctions in Iran. No brake shoes, more accidents more hatred of the West. Pointless and cruel. Counterproductive.
A lot of truth in that. Just childish tit-for-tat and no winners.
 

JimAndy

Member
Mixed Farmer
The Irish border still exists, the Belfast Agreement did not do away with it, simply the large security installations were removed because the PIRA was incapable of a "military victory".
Who exactly is threatening violence? Do the "Dissident Republicans" have the capability?

beside stating the obvious (you only have to look at a map to see the border still here) you haven't answered the question, what your solution to the NI/RoI border. as for Threatening Violence, all it take is one sh!t for brains asshole to go out with a shotgun. and it can snowball very quickly
 

The Agrarian

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Northern Ireland
beside stating the obvious (you only have to look at a map to see the border still here) you haven't answered the question, what your solution to the NI/RoI border. as for Threatening Violence, all it take is one sh!t for brains asshole to go out with a shotgun. and it can snowball very quickly

However costly it may be, or unpalatable for those of a weak disposition, the most just way to deal with idealistic psychopaths is to police them accordingly. To do anything else is to be held ransom to their demands. You certainly don't place borders within your own country to appease them.

Yes, insurgents are notoriously difficult to police and deter, anywhere in the world. It's not an easy matter, and there are no clean solutions. But to allow them the freedom to dictate terms is horribly unjust and unfair on peaceful and law abiding citizens.

Stop making excuses for terrorists.
 

JimAndy

Member
Mixed Farmer
However costly it may be, or unpalatable for those of a weak disposition, the most just way to deal with idealistic psychopaths is to police them accordingly. To do anything else is to be held ransom to their demands. You certainly don't place borders within your own country to appease them.

Yes, insurgents are notoriously difficult to police and deter, anywhere in the world. It's not an easy matter, and there are no clean solutions. But to allow them the freedom to dictate terms is horribly unjust and unfair on peaceful and law abiding citizens.

Stop making excuses for terrorists.
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couldn't agree more with you.

but even if set aside the whole terrorist angle , how do you police a border were driving down one road you cross in and out of the UK about 15 times. were you can enter a shed in the RoI and drive out the otherside in the UK. were it runs threw people houses, were crossing the street to go for a fish supper means crossing a international border
 

Pasty

Member
Location
Devon
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  • Hungary 9%
  • Montenegro 9%
  • Andorra 10%
  • Bosnia and Herzegovina 10%
  • Bulgaria 10%
  • Gibraltar 10%
  • Macedonia 10%
  • Moldova 12%
  • Cyprus 12.5%
  • Ireland 12.5%
  • Liechtenstein 12.5%
  • Albania 15%
VS our 19% which is comparable with many.

Maybe we should reduce it to flatten our higher level. Pay a bit more income tax and significantly reduce many corrupted benefits, including payment schemes.

I think the UK would be more favourable to investors then..
I think that is going to happen. 5% should put the sh1ts right up the EU.
 

The Agrarian

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Northern Ireland
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couldn't agree more with you.

but even if set aside the whole terrorist angle , how do you police a border were driving down one road you cross in and out of the UK about 15 times. were you can enter a shed in the RoI and drive out the otherside in the UK. were it runs threw people houses, were crossing the street to go for a fish supper means crossing a international border

With regard to goods then, I do think it's probable that a good deal of tariffs and standards (not all by any means) could be dealt with by means of checks on businesses mainly, and random checks on transport and at ports.
 

Danllan

Member
Location
Sir Gar / Carms
That, of course has not been proved at all, any more than US military contracts are used to subsidise Boeing.
Do try again with something of more substance and relevance. I did think that you were employed in some kind of legal profession. Perhaps I am mistaken in this. Almost certainly in fact, since you cannot see the gravity of what the PM is doing with his proposed breaking of a recently signed legal agreement, a consequence of which is that he breaks the Good Friday Agreement as well, which has even wider repercussions.
On the contrary and, in this thread, we are discussing the EU not the US. Out of interest, why would the EU have had to 'act to be in full compliance' if it had been in compliance in the first place? And what about GM foodstuffs... :unsure:

I've been away from the law for ages, but I keep my hand in sufficiently well to know that the so-called backstop itself breaches the the Belfast Agreement, ignoring, as it does, the necessary democratic requirements contained within it; or had that escaped your notice?

I'll be grateful if you can show me where or how the current Bill in any way breaches that agreement though. Some of the media have stated as much, but a plain reading of both reveals no conflict whatsoever.

You are a fan of the EU, and you let this affect your judgement, it can do no wrong, it doesn't renege, it acts in 'good faith' - all demonstrably untrue, but no matter...

But, but, but, ... aren’t the Europeans at a terrible disadvantage. Don’t they need you lot more than you need them?? Surely they will brick themselves any day now! Hang in there! 😏
The ROI is bricking itself..., and so are some of its nationals - no names mentioned (but including you). :)
 

The Agrarian

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Northern Ireland
In the case where a solution which accommodates both NI-GB needs and NI-ROI issues cannot be found, I would fully expect the UK to hold on its own internal needs first. Is that unreasonable?
 

Ashtree

Member
NI folks shouldn’t for a millisecond believe this latest Boris / Cummings internal market kerfuffle, has the slightest thing to do with the integrity of the Union.
Given the exposure of the big big lie of “they need us more than we need them”, and the obvious outcome for UK, of an unaffordable ND, or a BRINO, desperate measures are being thrown into the mix, to try to get the EU to over react, pull the plug on the talks, thereby giving Boris a cover story for the chaos which follows.
Integrity of the Union and undying love for NI, are very far from their thought process.
Right now, it’s all about saving their own skins.
 

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