Should the government take legal action against COVID 19?

Pasty · Sep 30, 2020

Vallance and Whitty must be furious about the performance of COVID19 in the last few days. Despite promising a horrendous second wave, doubling of cases every 7 days, mass hospitalisation, death and despite mass testing, it seems that cases and deaths are just not happening and in fact starting to drop off over the last few days.

How are they going to continue to terrify us and restrict our human rights and liberties with this useless bug?

Should COVID-19 resign and make way for a new virus which will actually work? Bill and Melinda should have the next one ready by now. Agenda 21 and all.

czechmate · Sep 30, 2020

Pasty said:
Vallance and Whitty must be furious about the performance of COVID19 in the last few days. Despite promising a horrendous second wave, doubling of cases every 7 days, mass hospitalisation, death and despite mass testing, it seems that cases and deaths are just not happening and in fact starting to drop off over the last few days.

How are they going to continue to terrify us and restrict our human rights and liberties with this useless bug?

Should COVID-19 resign and make way for a new virus which will actually work? Bill and Melinda should have the next one ready by now. Agenda 21 and all.

If it were thus (which in France it is not - maybe we have a stronger strain) you should be pleased; I would of thought?
Or you like the idea of bodies in the streets?

Pasty · Sep 30, 2020

We were promised bodies in the streets in March. I didn't notice any. People dropping dead in front of your eyes. I personally don't know a single person who has had any issue with the virus and I know a lot of people around the country. Curiously, I get anecdotal stories of 'I've got 4 friends who can't breathe etc.' from people who I know are on the left or are civil servants. So maybe this is a left wing disease which also explains why Boris got it.

czechmate · Sep 30, 2020

Pasty said:
We were promised bodies in the streets in March. I didn't notice any. People dropping dead in front of your eyes. I personally don't know a single person who has had any issue with the virus and I know a lot of people around the country. Curiously, I get anecdotal stories of 'I've got 4 friends who can't breathe etc.' from people who I know are on the left or are civil servants. So maybe this is a left wing disease which also explains why Boris got it.

Your lucky then. Right wing and white, maybe your immortal?

Pasty · Sep 30, 2020

czechmate said:
Your lucky then. Right wing and white, maybe your immortal?

Fortunately not.

czechmate · Sep 30, 2020

Pasty said:
Fortunately not.

Well you won’t know until you die...
And then you won’t know anyway

Pasty · Sep 30, 2020

czechmate said:
Well you won’t know until you die...
And then you won’t know anyway

What's white got to do with anything anyway? Second time this has come up today. Are you people starting to buy into BLM nonsense?

Highland Mule · Sep 30, 2020

Pasty said:
We were promised bodies in the streets in March.

We were promised bodies on the street if we didn't lock down and stop the virus spreading. We did, so we didn't get them. Just like I can promise if you put a loaded shotgun in your mouth and pull the trigeer then it will hurt you. Just because you take care not to do it, doesn't mean the warning wasn't valid.

Pasty · Sep 30, 2020

Highland Mule said:
We were promised bodies on the street if we didn't lock down and stop the virus spreading. We did, so we didn't get them. Just like I can promise if you put a loaded shotgun in your mouth and pull the trigeer then it will hurt you. Just because you take care not to do it, doesn't mean the warning wasn't valid.

Sweden didn't have bodies in the street. They took sensible measures, mainly voluntary but didn't lock down. Pretty much exactly the same results.

czechmate · Sep 30, 2020

Pasty said:
What's white got to do with anything anyway? Second time this has come up today. Are you people starting to buy into BLM nonsense?

It effects dark people more.

Has nothing whatsoever with BLM - which I find somewhat annoying and certainly that knee thing was really getting on my nerves.

Pasty · Sep 30, 2020

czechmate said:
It effects dark people more.

Has nothing whatsoever with BLM - which I find somewhat annoying and certainly that knee thing was really getting on my nerves.

OK, that seems to be factual.

Highland Mule · Sep 30, 2020

Pasty said:
Sweden didn't have bodies in the street. They took sensible measures, mainly voluntary but didn't lock down. Pretty much exactly the same results.

Scandinavians don't need any advice to socially distance. And the population is very spread out anyway. Compared to Norway they've been a car crash, and compared to us they're only a little bit better.

hel123 · Sep 30, 2020

Just can't see how this is sustainable and I'm fed up of hearing how well we all did in March suppressing the virus and wining the battle only to open up for a couple of months and then back to square one, we can't keep locking down forever.

I could come up with a inspiring and world beating cure for road traffic deaths, "if we were to leave all our cars and vehicles in the garage locked up (not in a lockdown) we would see all road traffic deaths suppressed to zero. I could even model this on a analytic graph to convey my world beating idea

Hindsight · Sep 30, 2020

Pasty said:
Vallance and Whitty must be furious about the performance of COVID19 in the last few days. Despite promising a horrendous second wave, doubling of cases every 7 days, mass hospitalisation, death and despite mass testing, it seems that cases and deaths are just not happening and in fact starting to drop off over the last few days.

How are they going to continue to terrify us and restrict our human rights and liberties with this useless bug?

Should COVID-19 resign and make way for a new virus which will actually work? Bill and Melinda should have the next one ready by now. Agenda 21 and all.

You will find the message from government and PHE will move now onto Long Covid. Alice Thomson in The Times and Adrian Rutherford on Radio 4 written and presented articles about the long term effects on 'healthy' fit 40 year olds. So the messaging is astarting. Me have no idea but that is the way it will go I assume. Deaths are not predictable enough and rising enough. You will start to see grapghs of Long Covid sufferers. As always fascinating times.

Pasty · Sep 30, 2020

Highland Mule said:
Scandinavians don't need any advice to socially distance. And the population is very spread out anyway. Compared to Norway they've been a car crash, and compared to us they're only a little bit better.

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So you are producing a stat which shows that a country which didn't lock down did better that one which did? OK. Slow hand clap. Now, let's spend 300 hours looking into how those deaths were classified as COVID-19. Nah. At the moment, in the UK. You have died from COVID if you have tested positive in the last 28 days regardless of the cause of death. So, RTA =COVID. We know the PCR test can show positive long after the subject has recovered and the virus is dead. Essentially, if you had COVID-19 in January, then recovered, tested positive on September 10th due to the crappy PCR test and drove a motorbike into a tree yesterday, you died of COVID 19. These are FACTS.

Have you bothered to compare how Norway, the UK and Sweden produce these stats as it varies from country to country.

kiwi pom · Sep 30, 2020

hel123 said:
Just can't see how this is sustainable and I'm fed up of hearing how well we all did in March suppressing the virus and wining the battle only to open up for a couple of months and then back to square one, we can't keep locking down forever.

I could come up with a inspiring and world beating cure for road traffic deaths, "if we were to leave all our cars and vehicles in the garage locked up (not in a lockdown) we would see all road traffic deaths suppressed to zero. I could even model this on a analytic graph to convey my world beating idea

You locked down in March to slow the spread, not eliminate, your restrictions were way too soft for that. The government was worried the health service couldn't cope. Countries now need to learn to live with the virus as it's going to be a long time until herd immunity is reached, hopefully that will be speeded up with a vaccine.

I read the other day that the NHS was now all set with 30,000 ventilators. On the day of writing I think they were using 250 of them(?) so certainly not over run.

Pasty · Sep 30, 2020

Hindsight said:
You will find the message from government and PHE will move now onto Long Covid. Alice Thomson in The Times and Adrian Rutherford on Radio 4 written and presented articles about the long term effects on 'healthy' fit 40 year olds. So the messaging is astarting. Me have no idea but that is the way it will go I assume. Deaths are not predictable enough and rising enough. You will start to see grapghs of Long Covid sufferers. As always fascinating times.

BBC and the Times are currently in the hands of 'the establishment' and will probably continue to be so for a long time. At least you can wipe your arris with the Times. Amusing to see the bad men just put in at the top of the BBC and the weeping of the lefties. I have long given up on it but it may become a reliable product at some time in the future. Would prefer a subscription model so I can choose to watch or not.

Pasty · Sep 30, 2020

kiwi pom said:
You locked down in March to slow the spread, not eliminate, your restrictions were way too soft for that. The government was worried the health service couldn't cope. Countries now need to learn to live with the virus as it's going to be a long time until herd immunity is reached, hopefully that will be speeded up with a vaccine.

I read the other day that the NHS was now all set with 30,000 ventilators. On the day of writing I think they were using 250 of them(?) so certainly not over run.

You can't eliminate. It doesn't work like that. Herd immunity was exactly the right response but it got over-run by bed wetting lefties. We should have put all our energy into protecting the vulnerable, not shutting down the country. What we did was send COVID patients back to nursing homes, thereby serving a death penalty on the other residents because morons were panicking over hospital beds.

We, as a family took it seriously. I self isolated for a while as I had symptoms. My dad is 84 so I have done his shopping etc for him through mainly click and collect at Mozzers. SARS is not a great thing if you are old, fat or ill but extreme measures which cost lives through business failure, job losses, mental health breakdown, access to physical health care etc. are just as bad if not worse.

Exfarmer · Sep 30, 2020

Pasty said:
So you are producing a stat which shows that a country which didn't lock down did better that one which did? OK. Slow hand clap. Now, let's spend 300 hours looking into how those deaths were classified as COVID-19. Nah. At the moment, in the UK. You have died from COVID if you have tested positive in the last 28 days regardless of the cause of death. So, RTA =COVID. We know the PCR test can show positive long after the subject has recovered and the virus is dead. Essentially, if you had COVID-19 in January, then recovered, tested positive on September 10th due to the crappy PCR test and drove a motorbike into a tree yesterday, you died of COVID 19. These are FACTS.

Have you bothered to compare how Norway, the UK and Sweden produce these stats as it varies from country to country.

No they took those figures out a couple of months ago. It was certainly the case that in July, if you had ever tested positive for Covid, your death would record it no longer.
However this ignores the fact that surplus UK deaths are currently about 25,000 over and above the reported Covid deaths, and while it is true that a very small number are from unrelated issues, but also other deaths dropped, such as road deaths ( in Suffolk for the first time no deaths recorded for 3 months) .
so in reality Covid deaths are certainly over 60,000
That is a real fact!

Danllan · Sep 30, 2020

czechmate said:
It effects dark people more...

Some dark people; it looks, weirdly, like blacks in Africa are less susceptible than those here or in the US; Indians in India seem better off than those here too...

Exfarmer said:
No they took those figures out a couple of months ago. It was certainly the case that in July, if you had ever tested positive for Covid, your death would record it no longer.
However this ignores the fact that surplus UK deaths are currently about 25,000 over and above the reported Covid deaths, and while it is true that a very small number are from unrelated issues, but also other deaths dropped, such as road deaths ( in Suffolk for the first time no deaths recorded for 3 months) .
so in reality Covid deaths are certainly over 60,000
That is a real fact!

It could be, but it could also be an uncertain extrapolation...

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