Kiss The Ground

Neddy flanders

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Can’t compare frost to glyphosate. While annuals finish their annual cycle with a hard frost, perennials and any soil critters living in those environments are adapted to frost. It doesn’t kill them, they just enter a dormant stage in their life cycle. Glyphosate can kill them, which is the end of a life cycle, not a stage in it.
so how do you drill a spring crop with perrenial weeds without glyphos ?
 

Barleycorn

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watched the film. good , really worth watching.
been reading Gabes videos and reading his book and as you say we could achieve most of what he does except we need glyphosate whereas he uses frost.
in that context, how damaging really is glyphosate to soil biology? i could DD, all year cover, cover crops, diversity to feed the soil with carbon, but how much of that good would i undo with one 3litre dose of glyphosate once a year??
Probably a lot less damaging than us having to spring tine 3 or 4 times to kill couch.
 

marco

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I wàtched a workshop involving Gabe brown, he was asked what sprays he used before sowing. His response was, the cheapest non-selective herbicide I can get. He neither admitted to nor denied the use of roundup. Also the Americans have access to some herbicides that are banned in Europe.
 

Ffermer Bach

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Remember too the film is not made for farmers but for the general public. I thought it was great, really good, there was lots more i would have liked to have had in it, but I have already read a lot about regenerative ag . I think there is a lot wrong with mainstream agriculture (and in this I mean conventional and organic) and lots of opportunities for us to change in regenerative agriculture, and I think one of the biggest hurdles to change is the multinational companies that profit from the way things are done now.
 

Ffermer Bach

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You don’t see the connection? Really?
Promoting methods of ag for producing the healthiest of food, among other benefits, and then potentially shunning it all for beer and fast food (I’m not saying he does, but for the sake of your argument), does that not have a slight whiff of hypocrisy?
I am just reading the obesity code https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/24945404-the-obesity-code
and being overweight is a function of hormone balance (insulin resistance) and related to too much sugar and refined carbs and to be fair there are quite a few in the US who are overweight (and here too!)
 

martian

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I wàtched a workshop involving Gabe brown, he was asked what sprays he used before sowing. His response was, the cheapest non-selective herbicide I can get. He neither admitted to nor denied the use of roundup. Also the Americans have access to some herbicides that are banned in Europe.
Gabe told us when we went to have a look around Brown's Ranch a few years ago ( @Clive was there too and he's probably got a better memory than me), that he just uses one herbicide application every two or three years. The spray was called Shadow (or something equally benign) and it wasn't the same as Shadow (or whatever its name was) that's sold in the UK. I looked it up, it was effectively Centurian Max...which most blackgrass in the UK is resistant to. This was 6 or 7 years ago ifrc, so things might have changed, but glyphosate overuse is much worse over in the USA because of Roundup Ready GM crops, which enable/encourage farmers to spray multiple doses in a season. Hence glyphosate resistant weeds appearing all over the place
 

Clive

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Lichfield
Gabe told us when we went to have a look around Brown's Ranch a few years ago ( @Clive was there too and he's probably got a better memory than me), that he just uses one herbicide application every two or three years. The spray was called Shadow (or something equally benign) and it wasn't the same as Shadow (or whatever its name was) that's sold in the UK. I looked it up, it was effectively Centurian Max...which most blackgrass in the UK is resistant to. This was 6 or 7 years ago ifrc, so things might have changed, but glyphosate overuse is much worse over in the USA because of Roundup Ready GM crops, which enable/encourage farmers to spray multiple doses in a season. Hence glyphosate resistant weeds appearing all over the place

your memory is the sane as mine - he was certainly not organic but did refer to his produce as “beyond organic”
 

Clive

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Arable Farmer
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Lichfield
Should do Guardians of the Grasslands then too.

Just because it’s Canadian:LOL:

Only about 15 minutes too, if memory serves.


Guardians of the Grassland will be shown on TFF on 22nd October (this Thursday) at 20.00GMT They will have a participant in the film online after in the thread to answer questions and comments

This link will work from 19.50 GMT on the 22nd https://thefarmingforum.co.uk/index.php?threads/guardians-of-the-grassland.329758/#post-7194886


Tell your friends !
 

Poorbuthappy

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Devon

Poorbuthappy

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Devon
20.00 gmt is 8’p’clock in the UK tomorrow


ir its 22.00 GMT now as i post
Am I being thick or....?
Aren't we currently in British Summer Time?
1 hour ahead of GMT?
So I am posting this at 22:05 gmt
Google gmt it'll give you a time of an hour behind current time.
 

Clive

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Arable Farmer
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Lichfield
Am I being thick or....?
Aren't we currently in British Summer Time?
1 hour ahead of GMT?
So I am posting this at 22:05 gmt
Google gmt it'll give you a time of an hour behind current time.

when you computer or phone says is 20.00 tomorrow it will be on assuming your computer is set for GMT as anyone’s in the uk will be - they auto adjust for BST
 

Clive

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Arable Farmer
Location
Lichfield
at 21.59 on my pc and iPhone google says

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