Jenrick on Marr

Courier

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• Oct 11, 2020

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On Andrew Marr this morning Robert Jenrick talking about ex-mining towns and also ex-agricultural towns.
I understand the term ex-mining but ex-agricultural ???

 

Steevo

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• Oct 11, 2020

• #2

Courier said:

On Andrew Marr this morning Robert Jenrick talking about ex-mining towns and also ex-agricultural towns.
I understand the term ex-mining but ex-agricultural ???

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Maybe he’s already seen the future!

 

Derrick Hughes

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• Oct 11, 2020

• #3

Our Village would be classed as an ex agricultural Village
But it started 200 years ago so nothing new

 

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7610 super q

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• Oct 11, 2020

• #4

Rural towns that used to have a mart maybe ?

 

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delilah

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• Oct 11, 2020

• #5

Didn't see it but I get the concept. In my youth Uttoxeter would have classed itself as an agricultural town, certainly on a Wednesday. Not any more. Same will apply to hundreds of towns around the UK.
It's your fault, you all decided to go to Tesco.

 

Courier

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• Oct 11, 2020

• #6

Just because there are fewer people working the land doesn’t make it disappear - even areas with 1000’s of acres under housing and industry still have an agricultural presence, else why would there be complaints about tractors on the roads.

Ex-mining is what I see out of my kitchen window, now growing Miscanthus...

 

Derrick Hughes

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• Oct 11, 2020

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I don't see many muck spreaders Foragers and combines in the Town of York or Cardigan for that matter, that is no longer a Market Town as was Carmarthen Lampeter Aberystwyth to name just a-few

 

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vantage

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• Oct 11, 2020

• #8

Derrick Hughes said:

I don't see many muck spreaders Foragers and combines in the Town of York or Cardigan for that matter, that is no longer a Market Town as was Carmarthen Lampeter Aberystwyth to name just a-few

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Byepasses are the reason.

 

Campbell

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• Oct 11, 2020

• #9

Maybe talking about Leominster..........he has a small weekend mansion in the area...

 

Derrick Hughes

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• Oct 11, 2020

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vantage said:

Byepasses are the reason.

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Lampeter ain't got a Bypass and used to have one of the biggest cattle and horse fairs in Wales

 

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vantage

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• Oct 11, 2020

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Derrick Hughes said:

Lampeter ain't got a Bypass and used to have one of the biggest cattle and horse fairs in Wales

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Has the horse fair finished?

 

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7610 super q

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• Oct 11, 2020

• #12

Used to be 2 tractor dealers in Pembroke, and at least 2 in Haverfordwest. Simpler times maybe, brought stock in to be sold, visit dealer ( and shops ) to spend that money.
Also, if you've lost 52% of farmers over the last 40 years, that's 52% less farmers buying tractors ( and shopping )

 

Red Fred

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• Oct 11, 2020

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When I was a kid, and even up to about 1990, Ringwood was a farming town. It had a cattle market, was surrounded by busy small farms and market gardens. In the summer, our ropy old tractors took to the roads carting straw and hay, and the fitter lads used to do bale shifting jobs after work for a bit of cash. Even the policemen used to come balecarting after their shifts finished. We had a town feed mill where I took the barley to be tested, and the whole town seemed to know what was going on in the fields around it. Barn dances and young farmers were popular and well supported, and my day release ag class in 1981 had about 30 keen members.
The rot set in firstly with the new flyover and bypass in 1976, but more so when they sold the cattle market for a new Waitrose. Now, it is just a dormitory town that has become too expensive for youngsters to live in, and haymaking is just a quaint nuisance for half a dozen yokels. Part of it also is the way the local estates shed jobs, where a dozen blokes worked in 1980, there are now just a couple with big tractors and this affected the whole community, pubs, etc.

 

Derrick Hughes

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• Oct 11, 2020

• #14

vantage said:

Has the horse fair finished?

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Yes long gone along with the cattle market

Watch The Great Dali's Horse Fair Lampeter May 1914 - BFI Player

Experience Lampeter in Cardiganshire just before the outbreak of WWI

player.bfi.org.uk

 

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Agrivator

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• Oct 11, 2020

• #15

Derrick Hughes said:

Yes long gone along with the cattle market

Watch The Great Dali's Horse Fair Lampeter May 1914 - BFI Player

Experience Lampeter in Cardiganshire just before the outbreak of WWI

player.bfi.org.uk

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Thanks for that.

The horses were extremely fit and healthy, but the few cattle on show were poverty stricken.

Why would that be?

 

turbo

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• Oct 11, 2020

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7610 super q said:

Used to be 2 tractor dealers in Pembroke, and at least 2 in Haverfordwest. Simpler times maybe, brought stock in to be sold, visit dealer ( and shops ) to spend that money.
Also, if you've lost 52% of farmers over the last 40 years, that's 52% less farmers buying tractors ( and shopping )

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How have we lost 52% of farmers over the last 40 years? I thought it was only brexit that was going to cause it not being members of the eu

 

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7610 super q

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• Oct 11, 2020

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turbo said:

How have we lost 52% of farmers over the last 40 years? I thought it was only brexit that was going to cause it not being members of the eu

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Article in the FW about 12 months ago. 52% lost since 1972. Brexit will have to go some to beat that.

 

Martin Holden

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• Oct 11, 2020

• #18

On another tac, what’s his qualifications as an MP (apart from being elected!)

 

Derrick Hughes

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• Oct 11, 2020

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7610 super q said:

Article in the FW about 12 months ago. 52% lost since 1972. Brexit will have to go some to beat that.

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Farm Amalgamation Grants
Headage Payments and Milk Quotas

"Mr. Davidson
If it is the intention of the Government to create a larger number of viable commercial holdings should not preference be given to amalgamations which will create additional commercial holdings and not merely increase the size of farms which are already viable units?

§Mr. Mackie
The hon. Member has argued this with me very often on previous occasions. My reply is the same. It would do away with the voluntary nature of the scheme, and that we do not want to do."

 

Cowabunga

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• Oct 11, 2020

• #20

7610 super q said:

Article in the FW about 12 months ago. 52% lost since 1972. Brexit will have to go some to beat that.

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I have previously posted that by far the steepest decline in farm numbers was between 1947 and 1970, when there were farm amalgamation grants, grants for buildings, great steps forward in mechanisation and specialisation within the industry. Massive numbers of farm workers were lost in that period which dwarfs the continuing slower losses since then. You continually ignore this fact and blame the EU for all your woes. Consider this, the farms of today are here despite all of that. We are the survivors. Whether you continue to survive or not is mainly down to you, the individual farmer. There are many farms, and you will surely know of some in your locality, that have survived and thrived through it all and are now massive farmers compared to what they were 50 years ago. At the expense of those that gave up off course.