caveman
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Loads of you were minted already.
Death Throws of No Deal
- Thread starter Ashtree
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Protectionism comes in many forms and for more than one reason. Much of trade protectionism is purely economic rather than protection of the public good. I do not wish to see the import of sub standard products which may not be in the public interest but at the same time I do not want to see trade barriers which are simply anti competition dressed up as something else.
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But the guys who somehow failed to make good over the good years...
Well, I do actually worry for them over the coming years
So what did you have 40 years ago ?
Everybody realises that farming is a very diverse industry and the circumstances under which farm ownership and tenancy exist has a vast impact on profitability. You have only to look at farmer income statistics to realise that many are below the poverty line. It may be argued that those who are should get out and find another job or become more efficient. I strongly believe that farmers are guardians of the environment and are important in order to protect a high degree of food security. Most important at the present time.But the guys who somehow failed to make good over the good years...
Well, I do actually worry for them over the coming years
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How much is the poverty line ?
Returning to topic. In the late sixties I worked for the Del Monte corporation who had acquired a vegetable canning factory in Norfolk. I was perhaps the first Englishman to be described as "The man from Del Monte". The American bosses were very keen to see their own standards of production applied in the UK, particularly with regard to pesticide use. I spent many hours trying to reconcile USDA regs with those of our own MAFF approved lists. There was almost no common ground. In the end the yanks had to back down, which was a first, simply because it would have been illegal for our farmers to follow US approvals.
How were these anomalies contrived. There were various reasons, climatic, production methods perhaps, but the big finger was pointed at American big money investment in petro-chemical industries. Not only were new approvals being rubber stamped with undue haste but many of the mass produced chemicals were outdated, organophosphorus products, which had been banned here years before. A few years later this became more common knowledge.
I am in no position to comment on the present system but I am quite sure that such anomalies exist today for somewhat similar reasons. I am quite sure that the EU harbours some situations.
How were these anomalies contrived. There were various reasons, climatic, production methods perhaps, but the big finger was pointed at American big money investment in petro-chemical industries. Not only were new approvals being rubber stamped with undue haste but many of the mass produced chemicals were outdated, organophosphorus products, which had been banned here years before. A few years later this became more common knowledge.
I am in no position to comment on the present system but I am quite sure that such anomalies exist today for somewhat similar reasons. I am quite sure that the EU harbours some situations.
Exfarmer
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I wasnot!
Exfarmer
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- Bury St Edmunds
There are certainly products used in the states particularly hormones used for beef production. Some of these were banned here, not because of any Danger to health from proper use , but the evident abuse by some farmers. Hormones atreacted a bad reputation mainly through the Italian beef industry Placing hormone pillets in the rear muscles where it achieved more than the proper placement in the ear. The residue of pellets then turned up in products ranging from steaks to baby food
when treatment intervals were ignored.proper use can lead to greater conversion efficiency which in turn could be argued as being greener. Also testing of the meat can show if treatment intervals have been adhered to, but if there is no testing then nobody knows if such product may have been used illegally. Sadly as we all know some will cheat.
Interesting thread this. A lot of projection of his / her own fear from the OP. Not a lot that he /she has predicted has come true. After the COVID nonsense I have little faith in our government so wouldn't be surprised if they folded over No Deal but they certainly won't be forgiven if they do and we'll have Mr Starmer in next time. I think even Boris knows this. I suspect the Tories have already lost the so called 'red wall' over lockdown.
Many posts on this thread, highlight the correlation between poor farmers and poor politicians. They both have one central common plank. Blame the EU!
Now post withdrawal agreement, the poor politicians who promised so much in the way of “the easiest deal in history”, and countless other global deals, have been totally expose for exactly what they are. Poor politicians!!
If the the blame the EU farmers on here, were to be exposed to a no deal, they too would be exposed within a year. Poor farmers!
But don’t lose any sleep. Boris has already copped on to the fact that in matters of international trade the PM has no clothes!
YOUR ass will be saved in the Boris capitulation to Barnier.
Another Suez type humiliation for Britain, compliments of the same old, same old, Etonian cabal at the top.
Now post withdrawal agreement, the poor politicians who promised so much in the way of “the easiest deal in history”, and countless other global deals, have been totally expose for exactly what they are. Poor politicians!!
If the the blame the EU farmers on here, were to be exposed to a no deal, they too would be exposed within a year. Poor farmers!
But don’t lose any sleep. Boris has already copped on to the fact that in matters of international trade the PM has no clothes!
YOUR ass will be saved in the Boris capitulation to Barnier.
Another Suez type humiliation for Britain, compliments of the same old, same old, Etonian cabal at the top.
To make a deal, which will probably happen, there will be movement on both sides but even if the UK were to concede by 10% and the EU by 90% you will be here gloating about a British capitulation but maybe just wait until then to comment as this record has been played to death and those of us that have to keep reading it are fed up of the gloating put downs about something that may not even happen.
Statement of facts is not gloating! Remember the basic premise of Brexit. All the benefits without any of the obligations! We have all the trump cards! They need us more than we need them! The easiest deal in history! Why bother doing any deal with them, even after they capitulate, as they are belligerent, angry, protective, building a massive army, corrupt, bankrupt, etc. Oh, 27 voices can’t agree the time of day, they will be a push over! And Merkel will throw the others under a bus to save the car industry.
Yeah.... the gloating came from the Brexiteers !!! No question!
i am told the eu has been importing beef from africa for quite a few years
Trouble is, Ashtree, for the likes of you and me - we just don't 'believe' enough. I've tried standing in the street looking up at the Union Flag with my hand on my heart, trying to remember lines of Kipling, but it just doesn't work. And the bitter irony is that it will all be my fault.
No we added 135 acres and paid it off
If you had a large farm debt free and stocked when subsidy came in ,it would have been harder to loose money than make money since, lets hope they invested it wisely
You don't half talk some sh1t