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in nicole masters' book it says plantain can be a sign of low phos. @som farmer
read that ,elsewhere, as well, pk indices were on the low side, and we have 'topped' them up. Where they are really growing, is grazing ground only, with good indices. But will be keeping an eye, on them. Another thing i learn't, they are acidic soil tolerant, down as low as 4.5, fields they are in, were limed last year. Combine both, seems to point towards a problem, some more soil sampling, i think.in nicole masters' book it says plantain can be a sign of low phos. @som farmer
We've generally had success (albeit sometimes a slow start) with just air spreading on Cotswolds Seeds herbal over-sseding mix https://www.cotswoldseeds.com/products/1566/herbal-over-seeding-mixture-deep-rooting-herbal-leyherbal leys are coming in for more attention. We are trying various types/amounts, it would be helpful to know, what success farmers have had, or are trying. One thing we have learn't, plantains definitely likes our ground, where sown, have shot away, but wild plantain, is a very common plant here.
It seems that "what likes your ground" is very relevant. I'm on my second one having destroyed the first one, in which everything came up and was really successful. I thought I was an expert after one go but this one isn't nearly as good. Some patches virtually bare and a lot of the expensive seed doesn't seem to have done much at all. I redrilled quite a bit over the summer.herbal leys are coming in for more attention. We are trying various types/amounts, it would be helpful to know, what success farmers have had, or are trying. One thing we have learn't, plantains definitely likes our ground, where sown, have shot away, but wild plantain, is a very common plant here.
It came todayI have tried Plantsnap (I think) but it's hopeless on grasses. You really need a proper "textbook" with details of the ligule etc rather than trying to identify things off their seedheads.
Various threads on here show that people will identify browntop as tall fescue
Does it do all the "herbs" as well as grasses?It came today
'we' have 160 types of grass which i didn't know not a large figure though of the 10k types world wide.....
How many in NZ ? i wonder....
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Have found that spring sown herbal ley under a pea/barley nurse crop (max 50kg/acre) works best here, but must get pea/barley silage off early (barley @ milky stage). Also pays to get soil going right @ least 12 to 24 month before sowing ley i.e. lime, grazing cover/catch crops, lashings of box muck, cell grazing cows on deferred grass etc etcIt seems that "what likes your ground" is very relevant. I'm on my second one having destroyed the first one, in which everything came up and was really successful. I thought I was an expert after one go but this one isn't nearly as good. Some patches virtually bare and a lot of the expensive seed doesn't seem to have done much at all. I redrilled quite a bit over the summer.
Looking back, I probably could have cut the herbs right down to say 0.1 to 0.5 kg per ha for each species considering how sparse they are.
I also think next time I will put 2 to 3 kg of westerwolds to bulk up the first season and in our case, give the black grass a run for its money
What does seem reliable is cocksfoot and chicory but that may be just on our soil type. I have a nagging doubt that a soil test might reveal some deficiencies which have stopped the other stuff growing
Cheeky question:read that, as well, pk indices were on the low side, and we have 'topped' them up. Where they are really growing, is grazing ground only, with good indices. But will be keeping an eye, on them. Another thing i learn't, they are acidic soil tolerant, down as low as 4.5, fields they are in, were limed last year. Combine both, seems to point towards a problem, some more soil sampling, i think.
wasn't me, i read it elsewhere, and have amended previous post !Cheeky question:
Any chance I could have a loan of your Nicole Masters book please? [emoji16]
No, just grasses;Does it do all the "herbs" as well as grasses?
We have a copy kicking round somewhere. Next time you bring honey over I'll dig it out. ( We're in the middle of a house swap at the moment)Cheeky question:
Any chance I could have a loan of your Nicole Masters book please? [emoji16]
Do you make them eat the turnip bulbs - or happy to leave them?Yes special mix £15.43/acre. Thinking behind it was diversity of root types, canopy heights etc. Cropping was: winter barley, stubble turnips (drilled 1st week Aug, grazed March left 20% of bulbs), turnips/weed regrowth grazed with cows June/July (that dry time). Twice over with big Disc a go go, broadcast, roll cover mix, July (bit late!). Will be going into herbal ley this spring. Borage & linseed hasn't killed them yet!
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Goats will clear gorse, just got to market the end product!, There a new venture for you dave, no charge!!
You'd be surprised we've had em up here before, sold well to be fair.Not sure the drovers up cutcombe could handle goats
Only stayed for fat lambs today, 2nd half (where mine were was a bit disappointing, trade must have dropped £10 from start to finish
There will be a lot.It came today
'we' have 160 types of grass which i didn't know not a large figure though of the 10k types world wide.....
How many in NZ ? i wonder....
View attachment 915537
don't even need a smart phone to read it
It came today
'we' have 160 types of grass which i didn't know not a large figure though of the 10k types world wide.....
How many in NZ ? i wonder....
View attachment 915537
don't even need a smart phone to read it
As per @Bury the Trash's post #16,199, I presumeWhich book is this?