WHY DONT CHILDREN GET MEALS AT HALF TERM ?

melted welly · Oct 24, 2020

Robt said:
Utter rubbish! Do you use them? See the children that do? That’s like me saying in a broad stroke, SFP at tax payers money ( remember the gov doesn’t have money) buys range rovers and skiing holidays!

Or someone saying the machinery/input industries that support UK ag factor in the subsidy to their pricing structures, as do the buyers and processors of our products.

As with everything in life, Subs included, foodbanks will be used by people who need them, but also by some people who use them because they’re there.

Hfd Cattle · Oct 24, 2020

Last week the potato harvesters left one of the fields . On the ground were loads of potatoes that were spilled over the side of the trailer and about half an acre that they couldn't harvest cos it was too wet. Field was next to the village . A makeshift sign was put up ...Free dig your own potatoes before they are ploughed up ... also you can help yourself to apples out of the adjacent orchard ........
To my knowledge no-one went and got any.
I just wonder how many off the estate was at the food bank on the following Sat .

Bignor Farmer · Oct 24, 2020

Unfortunately this Situation is the product of decades of poor political (socialist/handout) policy where a large part of society has been allowed to be left behind, doing poorly at school and living off benefit has been normalised.... but that’s OK because overall the economy grows and those in work can subside those who are not through the welfare state for a whole lifetime!

I certainly don’t want any children to go hungry but long-term government needs to find ways to reintroduce pride, responsibly and worthwhile jobs to deprived communities. It has to be a better system where people have aspirations at school, work and take pride in feeding their own families. I would much rather have government subsidising industry to make employment rather than endlessly paying into the welfare state..... oh wait..... EU competition rules.... another can of worms!

Ps. I also realise many other kids fall outside the situation above (drink/drugs/mental health/disability etc etc) and the state should Definitely be helping here. The challenge for government is identifying and helping the right people in the right way.

puppet · Oct 24, 2020

Grassman said:
Might be a good time to mention the Premier league footballers who refused to take a pay cut whilst their club staff had to take a cut to their minimum wage jobs when lockdown started in the spring

Arsenal laid off over 50 backroom staff but the last straw for the players was the mascot. He probably earned £50 each home game roughly £1500 a year. Mesut Ozil will generously pay it -a man who has earned £6m since he last played in March and spent more on haircuts.
Fair play to Marcus for raising it but he cannot see that his ridiculous salary is actually contributing to child poverty - Sky Sports, inflated ticket prices, the 3 replica strips needed every year or you are not a cool kid and loads of merchandising tat. Who does he think pays for all that? Poorer families who are fanatical.
The players argued that if their wages were cut they wouldn't pay as much tax. Pretty ironic after most of them have convoluted accounts to avoid it or have been sentenced to prison for evading millions-Ronaldo and Messi.

glasshouse · Oct 24, 2020

Hfd Cattle said:
Last week the potato harvesters left one of the fields . On the ground were loads of potatoes that were spilled over the side of the trailer and about half an acre that they couldn't harvest cos it was too wet. Field was next to the village . A makeshift sign was put up ...Free dig your own potatoes before they are ploughed up ... also you can help yourself to apples out of the adjacent orchard ........
To my knowledge no-one went and got any.
I just wonder how many off the estate was at the food bank on the following Sat .

In the facebook age, people dont want to be seen scavenging behind a tattie harvester
No one knows what those dirty objects are anyway
Tesco grows them in clean plastic bags.

Ffermer Bach · Oct 24, 2020

kiwi pom said:
Most blokes don't need to know how to do metal work and wood work these days, so why not just teach everyone to cook?

I spent 22 years arranging building apprenticeships, and I think in that time, we had about half a dozen female carpenters (1000 or so male carpenters), of those half a dozen, one was an excellent carpenter, so is training girls woodwork a good use of time/money?

I was asked to present certificates at a ceremony in college (that was filmed on S4C, local MP there), and I was chatting to the girls asking what building trade they wanted to do, they all said (bar one who already wanted to be a plumber) that they had no interest but were there because the college told them to. All great for PR, but no substance.

I cook (but I live alone, so have to), I wonder in the average family, how often the wife shops/cooks? A majority I would guess.

Ffermer Bach · Oct 24, 2020

Hfd Cattle said:
Last week the potato harvesters left one of the fields . On the ground were loads of potatoes that were spilled over the side of the trailer and about half an acre that they couldn't harvest cos it was too wet. Field was next to the village . A makeshift sign was put up ...Free dig your own potatoes before they are ploughed up ... also you can help yourself to apples out of the adjacent orchard ........
To my knowledge no-one went and got any.
I just wonder how many off the estate was at the food bank on the following Sat .

just been to Marden to visit family before lock down, wish I had known!

glasshouse · Oct 24, 2020

Bignor Farmer said:
Unfortunately this Situation is the product of decades of poor political (socialist/handout) policy where a large part of society has been allowed to be left behind, doing poorly at school and living off benefit has been normalised.... but that’s OK because overall the economy grows and those in work can subside those who are not through the welfare state for a whole lifetime!

I certainly don’t want any children to go hungry but long-term government needs to find ways to reintroduce pride, responsibly and worthwhile jobs to deprived communities. It has to be a better system where people have aspirations at school, work and take pride in feeding their own families. I would much rather have government subsidising industry to make employment rather than endlessly paying into the welfare state..... oh wait..... EU competition rules.... another can of worms!

Ps. I also realise many other kids fall outside the situation above (drink/drugs/mental health/disability etc etc) and the state should Definitely be helping here. The challenge for government is identifying and helping the right people in the right way.

You are wrong there. It wasnt socialist policies.
Thatcher destroyed british industry with her fixation on a strong pound with high interest rates in the eighties.
This also fitted her destruction of union power agenda , no industry= no unions.
Scottish north sea oil gave her the finances to pay Off the miners and the dole for 3 million plus From then on.
Benefits offices deliberately got men onto disability rather than dole to disguise the real jobless total of probably 5 million.
Selling off the council housing was a masterstroke to divide and rule and councidentally return housing To the private sector to usher back in the era of landlordism ie runaway rents and housing bubbles

Hard Graft · Oct 24, 2020

Well just had a 2 course meal for 2 total cost 20p ( butter in the spuds, and cream for the horse radish) and all the rest grown here

It’s the amount off junk food and fast food brought as they don’t know how to cook.
The few times I brought a takeaway the food was over priced junk

A restaurant needs to make over minimum 60% mark up but lots work on a 100% mark up

the we all very lucky as farmers as we all have space and can grow things easily
but one room I would be lost with out is the larde

matthew · Oct 24, 2020

glasshouse said:
In the facebook age, people dont want to be seen scavenging behind a tattie harvester
No one knows what those dirty objects are snyeay
Tesco grows them in clean plastic bags.

It's probably two decades now since Domestic Science (i.e cookery etc.) was dropped from skool curriculums in favour of IT and more drama.
So, we have two (at least) generations of youngsters growing up in families who think a dinner means 'open this end and microwave for three minutes'. Ready meals has a huge section of any big retailer's shelf space. A pretty picture on an oversized box, and their ingredients are in very small print.

Basic ingredients have never been cheaper and can stretched many ways, but sadly, today's young families haven't a clue what to do with them.

Mur Huwcun · Oct 24, 2020

Grassman said:
I think all children should get free school meals so there is no difference between the well off and the poor

I’ve been saying this for years, primary school should be free lunch and then secondary if needed could be set up with each learner with a fob or swipe card etc. Those that qualify qualify and those that don’t either get the weekly bill or choose to take a sandwich etc.

Mur Huwcun · Oct 24, 2020

Robt said:
This is totally wrong, most don’t! The media will always film wayneette slob as it’s good tv. You go and volunteer at your local food bank . You will se ordinary folk in clothes that are too big, full of holes as they have lost weight abs chosen to feed their kids! It’s absolutely haeart breaking. Remind me how much the average uk 500 acre farm gets in hand outs. Same thing! Your market value for your product is forced on you as is Covid on so many hard working families.

I will guess that most on here have guessed my occupation therefore I’m in a very good position to see it day in day out, seen all the sides of the stories unfortunately and I don’t need TV programs to paint the picture. Unfortunately the ones genuinely struggling are the ones actually working on zero hours contracts on minimum wage not the ones on ‘handouts’. They then don’t qualify for most things as this government thinks that families should be able to live on something like an £18k gross threshold!!

kiwi pom · Oct 24, 2020

Ffermer Bach said:
I spent 22 years arranging building apprenticeships, and I think in that time, we had about half a dozen female carpenters (1000 or so male carpenters), of those half a dozen, one was an excellent carpenter, so is training girls woodwork a good use of time/money?

I was asked to present certificates at a ceremony in college (that was filmed on S4C, local MP there), and I was chatting to the girls asking what building trade they wanted to do, they all said (bar one who already wanted to be a plumber) that they had no interest but were there because the college told them to. All great for PR, but no substance.

I cook (but I live alone, so have to), I wonder in the average family, how often the wife shops/cooks? A majority I would guess.

No it's probably not but these days teaching metalwork and woodwork to a large number of boys is probably a waste of time and money too.
Everyone needs to eat though so teaching all children to cook is a good use of time and money. I'd also try and teach people more about how to budget and manage money and try and prepare them for life in the real world.

glasshouse · Oct 24, 2020

kiwi pom said:
No it's probably not but these days teaching metalwork and woodwork to a large number of boys is probably a waste of time and money too.
Everyone needs to eat though so teaching all children to cook is a good use of time and money. I'd also try and teach people more about how to budget and manage money and try and prepare them for life in the real world.

On that logic
Teaching maths to large numbers of boys is a bigger waste of money

Still Farming · Oct 24, 2020

Your MP who voted for or against :-

How your MP voted on the free school meals motion backed by Marcus Rashford

Five Conservatives MPs joined MPs from Labour, the SNP, the Lib Dems and more to back the failed effort

inews.co.uk

Bignor Farmer · Oct 24, 2020

glasshouse said:
You are wrong there. It wasnt socialist policies.
Thatcher destroyed british industry with her fixation on a strong pound with high interest rates in the eighties.
This also fitted her destruction of union power agenda , no industry= no unions.
Scottish notth sea oil gave her the finances to pay Off the miners and the dole for 3 million plus From then on.
Benefits offices deliberately got men onto disability rather than dole to disguise the real jobless total of probably 5 million.
Selling off the council housing was a masterstroke to divide and rule and councidentally return housing To the private sector to usher back in the era pf landlordism ie runaway rents and housing bubbles

you’re right. I suppose my point is that having a huge welfare state makes us a generally “socialist leaning” society from one point of view regardless of which political party is in power or how important capitalism is at the other end of society to pay for it. I would guess that most of the worlds population don’t eat if they can’t earn.

Funny setup in my opinion, as they say “the rich getting richer, the poor getting poorer.” But thats what you get when your politicians need re-electing every 5 years..... Right or wrong? who knows? Probably a bit of both!

Pennine Ploughing · Oct 24, 2020

After yesterday’s vote from the government against providing free meals for children over half term, we have decided that we will give a meal of sausage, chips and beans to any of the local children who come for either breakfast or lunch throughout the half term holiday. During this tough time our loyal customers have supported us and so we want to give back to the community by supporting our local children. We are living in a very hard time and right now finances can be limited, so please don’t feel any shame about accepting help and support. We as a local business and a community want to help. This offer is for our local children only, so unfortunately this offer won’t be available for anybody who is visiting on their holidays. This is so we can definitely be supporting our local community who have supported us so much before, during and after lockdown. We want to do our bit as a local business to help where we can. Please share this post so we can reach those who will benefit from this offer! Thank you so much, Frank and the Rooster team.
This is "The Rooster Dinner" at Penrith, Cumbria

pgk · Oct 24, 2020

Grassman said:
This is a load of political nonsense. Child benefit payments are in place. Schools are not there to provide out of term meals.
The truth is Labour are using this and many other issues as a way of getting easy popularity.
Does anyone really think all the Conservative MPs thought "ooh let's come across really badly and watch children go without food". They are here to run the country not react to some rich footballer on a crusade.

But they can find billions to hand out to their mates in numerous forms and are happy to accept pay rises and subsidies of many kinds whilst telling the nurses etc sorry no pay rises for you but keep up the good work chaps! Never heard any farmers saying they wont take the farmers dole.

Muck Spreader · Oct 24, 2020

PSQ said:
Are you really embarrassed, or are you just another farmer thats been neutered into thinking that receiving a subsidy to produce cheap nutritious food should mean farmers shouldn’t express opinions?

Be my guest, stop subsidies and let food prices rise to where they would otherwise be.
Just be aware that even though food is the cheapest and most abundant it’s ever been, that there is a correlation between subs and genuine food poverty that the anti-subsidy sector of the media are too fudgeing stupid to see.

But food prices won't rise if you get rid of subsidies, it just sucks in more imported food, unless you put high tariff wall up. And how would high prices in the shops solve this problem?

honeyend · Oct 24, 2020

Still Farming said:
School breakfast clubs ,not so much about getting cereals and toast into kids but FREE baby sitting service for parents .

Why on earth do you think they may need a 'baby sitting' service. Most jobs start at nine, some schools start at 9- 9 15, so if both parents are working, which most people seem to want people to do, how do you sort that out? If you have enough money you end dropping them off at a child minder, which means they get up even earlier, you have to get them there, if they have time have their breakfast there, but they are exhausted by 11.00.
The well off also have school as a 'baby sitting' service, they put their children in a school with boarders that has breakfast from 7.30, and provides not only a cooked meal at lunch but supper, and snacks as well. But that's OK because they can pay for it and it's all dressed up as providing the best education for their child. The irony being the local takeaways will deliver to the school gates.
I grew up in a home where my mum didn't work, so she had time, and she needed it, to cook, bake and walk me to school, a lot of people are not able to do that.

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