All the requirements are in the published standards. They're online, they're free to look at. You should never be surprised by a standard on your inspection unless you haven't bothered reading them. They do not include personal relationships!!!!
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fieldfarmer
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@FarmyStu are you farm assured for beef sheep and lamb and grain? I've had to in the past had to ring the auditors boss and complain mid audit and was lied too, so who would I ring next? (I was later rung back and the non compliance lifted, the audit person was removed from their job due to many many complaints from others)
Tarw Coch
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Well, it’s not difficult to see there’s something very wrong with the current situation, when folk are getting fails for things like a tyre rolled of the silage pit or getting asked about their personal relationships, many will have examples of their own about silly little things that inspectors have picked up on, its hardly surprising many have little respect for the scheme and that’s before someone at the very top of RT with a role in government votes to accept lower standard imports, the sheer hypocrisy of that is unbelievable.
I’m sure farm assurance isn’t going away but what we need is a scheme that farmers can be proud of, a scheme which promotes British/members produce and delivers clear benefits to the members with inspectors who aren’t out to catch you out on some technicality but are there to give help and advice to get those falling short up to standard.
Unfortunately we seem to be so far from a scheme that farmers can be proud of and delivers benefit , I really don’t know how we turn the situation around, the actions of MS Neville Rolfe do absolutely nothing to give RT any credibility with farmers, infact quite the opposite
They are not "so good". They just have a place. Maybe RT standards don't make a difference to what you produce. It is mostly just legal requirements anyway. But another scheme might. E.g it might ban slatted systems. It might require whole life assurance or only allow polled stock etc etc. Or maybe bans glyphosphate use for spraying off cereals.
An assurance scheme is whatever it wants to be. People need to want it for it to work though.
Some years ago now (over 4 I think) i used to do cross compliance sheep inspections. Nothing to do with FA. As for being "far off the mark", I'm certainly not claiming to represent anyone but myself, but I've met plenty of farmers who's main complaint is the lack of even higher standards and unannounced inspections with RT. There's a vocal crowd on here who slate RT all the time. I think they'd slate any other scheme too. If there wasn't one, they'd slate something else. Some just want to be left alone to produce whatever they want, however they want, then be paid handsomely for it. It's cloud cuckoo land.
Nobody said anything about lowering standards - just dropping RT!!
I'm not farm assured for anything. I'm a contractor but I so spend time helping others (friends and family) prepare for audits so am fully aware of the anxiety and work it can cause.
As to your call, well it seemed to have got a result. I assume you called your inspection group rather than RT. I'd contact RT if all else failed. But the main thing to know is that you can't be failed for anything that's not in the standards. It really is that simple.
gone up the hill
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Utter rubbish!
I know and meet plenty of farmers and regardless of them being pro or anti farm assurance schemes i have NEVER meet one RT farm assured farmer that wants even higher standards and unannounced inspections !
And tell me Stu WHO is going to pay for these higher standards, farm incomes/margins are being reduced all the time with the result that labour units per animal numbers are increasing all the time..
And WHY are farm incomes being reduced all the time?? BECAUSE the majority of the population always buy the cheapest food they can and thus that and the fact supermarkets want the cheapest food they can buy on their shelves means that all you are doing with more red tape/ costs and higher standards is DRIVING more and more family/ medium sized farms out of the industry!
fieldfarmer
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It's not that simple, I was suspended. That's the pont, then lied to then rung back with the apology and the non compliance lifted.
Perhaps you haven't, but get out of your own village and they do exist. I've met them, often. So please don't say it's rubbish when you couldn't possibly know.
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Are you for real??? Dont tell me, the farm dog need to be RT assured too, jobsworths, nothing more nothing less. Pointless petty rules thought up by idiots who have no practical experience of farming themselves.
Mentioned in one of the previous posts, RT is just stressful, even dealing with the inspection body is a bloody nightmare, rude and arrogant.
The sooner it is done away with the better.
A suspension is caused by something relatively serious. Your inspector must have gone seriously off track if it was all found to be erroneous. I'd always ask to what standard I was being judged against and take it from there.
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What an arrogant post, what a pompus idiot you come across as
fieldfarmer
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He's not farm assured himself, tells me all I need to know.
gone up the hill
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Your post is arrogrant beyond believe and YOU Stu Wonder why farmers on here are fed upto the back teeth with the scheme and having inspectors with your disgusting attitude having so much power over them!
I meet and talk with farmers all over the country and NONE of them want higher standards or unannounced inspections.
I will tell you what they ALL do SAY thou and that is : They think the current RT scheme is an utter waste of time, pointless and no value but they have NO choice but to be in the scheme if they want to farm!
Have YOU ever run YOUR OWN FARM Stu??........................
Here this all the time. Which standards are you referring to?
gone up the hill
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I bet Stu has never run a farm!
whats wrong with that ?
No. You ever run your own supermarket? Ever run your own assurance scheme? You seem to know all about how they could do things so much better. Which is completely reasonable. You DO NOT have to be in the job to know it could be done better. Agreed?
Maybe guth finds it hard to get out of his village too often cos he is busy working hard on his farm producing great products. I'm sure his produce would be just fine with no RT. I think maybe FarmyStu, you are not so farmy - perhaps InspectoryStu would be a better name. You could go on an inspector forum and chat to others about tripping people up, catching people out, poking your nose in, and upsetting honest hard working families.