A certain trailer pass scheme

DrWazzock

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Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire
Why on earth would you need a brake test on a ring fenced farm?If you never go on the road there are no regulations even for HGVs in this respect.
We a duty of care even to ourselves as self employed to maintain equipment in safe working order. Even though my equipment is maintained by myself to a standard proportionate to it useage I could quite see an assurance scheme insisting that all trailers are tested and registered regardless of whether they go on the road or not.
 

Andrew

Never Forgotten
Honorary Member
Location
Huntingdon, UK
We a duty of care even to ourselves as self employed to maintain equipment in safe working order. Even though my equipment is maintained by myself to a standard proportionate to it useage I could quite see an assurance scheme insisting that all trailers are tested and registered regardless of whether they go on the road or not.

This is why we need to do something. If everyone sticks there heads in the sand they or DVSA could quite easily dream up something disproportionate. If we as an industry agreed something then they would more than likely adopt that, a scheme better suited for us.

The BAGMA scheme is very good, but does not incorporate a brake drum removal. This is not normally done on HGVs, however it is very important on ag trailers. As a lot of ag trailers are on commercial axles with oil brakes, the drums rarely get up to temperature, so the shoes get glazed over. Recommendation is to take drums off and inspect the while of the pad and even wire brush slightly to remove glazing.

The other scheme is very good and incorporates drum removal, but fails to include an actual brake test to ensure they meet requirements and that work had been done correctly.

Both schemes also incorporates a price cap I believe, however the BAGMA one the dealers make less money out of, hence they don’t push it very hard.

Come up with a scheme that addresses all the shortcomings. Get everyone backing it, monitor the uptake. Then go to DVSA and say we have this test. X% of farmers are using it. Can those that do run at higher speeds or weights. Even the DVSA have hinted this would happen.
 
This is why we need to do something. If everyone sticks there heads in the sand they or DVSA could quite easily dream up something disproportionate. If we as an industry agreed something then they would more than likely adopt that, a scheme better suited for us.

Very True, The industry does need something. It's just getting something suitable that works for everybody.
 

Steevo

Member
Location
Gloucestershire
My local garage will MOT my car for £39 and collect and deliver it for £10 within 8 miles.

There is not a chance that a dealer would ever do this for farm kit!

The clear difference here is my local garage is not a main dealer franchise, just an independent registered MOT testing station hence hourly rates are much lower.

Farmers are caught with schemes that don’t offer value for the farm directly and providers who charge premium rates for doing the job.

Buy retail, sell wholesale.
 

nick...

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Arable Farmer
Location
south norfolk
I’ve not read through most of the above but surely speed could be reduced and police could check that.im sure the maximum speed for a conventional tractor in the uk is 20mph and not 40 or 50 k.im also sure the majority of tractor and trailers on the road are also overweight but a blind eye is also turned to this.tractirs taking loads to merchants after harvest must be over weight or a lot of them are.large tractors and trailers must weigh between 15/20 tons empty (im guessing) and that’s before a load is added.i know contractors with Bailey beeteaper trailers that hold a good 20 plus tons of wheat hauling into mills and merchants.its up to us to police ourselves before more draconian regulations get piled onto us all.
nick...
 
Farmers are caught with schemes that don’t offer value for the farm directly and providers who charge premium rates for doing the job.

They will argue that with some of these schemes, you will get it back on your premium.
I do know a few that get a LOLER & compressors done for free.
But it begs the question.. will it just be added on to the premium to start with.. and then it gets knocked off.. and everybody is happy i.e. the insurance company has made money and you think you have saved money!!
 

Steevo

Member
Location
Gloucestershire
They will argue that with some of these schemes, you will get it back on your premium.
I do know a few that get a LOLER & compressors done for free.
But it begs the question.. will it just be added on to the premium to start with.. and then it gets knocked off.. and everybody is happy i.e. the insurance company has made money and you think you have saved money!!

Is an MOT from a main dealer worth any more than from an independent garage?

If car owners were forced to use main dealers for MOTs I can’t see many people being too happy.
 
Is an MOT from a main dealer worth any more than from an independent garage?

If car owners were forced to use main dealers for MOTs I can’t see many people being too happy.

But what if your insurance company was in bed with your main dealer, and they offered you a chance of saving money on your premium by going to then for your MOT.
And if you went to your independent garage for an MOT, you were charged more on your premium because the local garage wasn't certified.

Profiteering strings to mind.
 

Steevo

Member
Location
Gloucestershire
But what if your insurance company was in bed with your main dealer, and they offered you a chance of saving money on your premium by going to then for your MOT.
And if you went to your independent garage for an MOT, you were charged more on your premium because the local garage wasn't certified.

Profiteering strings to mind.

.....and you couldn’t sell your grain unless every tractor or implement had a little coloured tractor sticker on it every year to prove it has been inspected. :rolleyes:
 
I’ve not read through most of the above but surely speed could be reduced and police could check that.im sure the maximum speed for a conventional tractor in the uk is 20mph and not 40 or 50 k.im also sure the majority of tractor and trailers on the road are also overweight but a blind eye is also turned to this.tractirs taking loads to merchants after harvest must be over weight or a lot of them are.large tractors and trailers must weigh between 15/20 tons empty (im guessing) and that’s before a load is added.i know contractors with Bailey beeteaper trailers that hold a good 20 plus tons of wheat hauling into mills and merchants.its up to us to police ourselves before more draconian regulations get piled onto us all.
nick...
Speed was upped to 40k a few years ago as was maximum weight for tractor, trailer and load to about 31 tons, however max weight of trailer and load remains at about 18,300 so there’s potential to be over weight with anything bigger than a 14 ton trailer
 

DrWazzock

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire
.....and you couldn’t sell your grain unless every tractor or implement had a little coloured tractor sticker on it every year to prove it has been inspected. :rolleyes:
That would be end of the road for definite for us. There just isn't enough slack in the job to do all that. Sell up, South of France. Leave to the corporate agribusinesses. That's how they seem to want it anyway.
 
They will argue that with some of these schemes, you will get it back on your premium.
I do know a few that get a LOLER & compressors done for free.
But it begs the question.. will it just be added on to the premium to start with.. and then it gets knocked off.. and everybody is happy i.e. the insurance company has made money and you think you have saved money!!
no you dont, it is added into the cost of the premium
 

Exfarmer

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Location
Bury St Edmunds
Speed was upped to 40k a few years ago as was maximum weight for tractor, trailer and load to about 31 tons, however max weight of trailer and load remains at about 18,300 so there’s potential to be over weight with anything bigger than a 14 ton trailer
Speed limit is 25 mph. I wince when I see some of these larger trailers hauling grain, many cannot legally carry more than 12 tonnes on the road but you see them loaded to the gunwales.
 

Sid

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
South Molton
I’m pretty sure there’s no legal limit on how far you can haul in with a tractor and trailer on red diesel provided its for agricultural use, although I’m sure long distance haulage isn’t within the spirit of rebated fuel and free licences..........although many will be running over weight and over 40k..........and it’s not just maize
It's an industrial process and should be taxed and legisdated as such
 
It's an industrial process and should be taxed and legisdated as such
AD, yes, I wouldn’t disagree, but it’s not just the AD guys who are running long distances, overweight, over speed.
But whilst we’re having a pop at AD, there’s plenty of digestate going the other way in overweight tankers too although some tell me that adding a bit of extra weight on the back of the tanker makes it all legal.
 

Andrew

Never Forgotten
Honorary Member
Location
Huntingdon, UK
How’s about everyone try’s to work within the current laws, wonder how many of these accidents are with tractors running too fast pulling trailers that are overweight.
My guess would be far more than from brake issues.

Most of the outfits running too fast and and overweight will have better brakes than most ag outfits on the road I would imagine, as a lot are on air brakes with commercial drums. The extra weight and speed, driven hard,the drums stand a chance of getting up to temperature.
Most of the trailers are hired too I believe so will have had the brakes adjusted.
 
Most of the outfits running too fast and and overweight will have better brakes than most ag outfits on the road I would imagine, as a lot are on air brakes with commercial drums. The extra weight and speed, driven hard,the drums stand a chance of getting up to temperature.
Most of the trailers are hired too I believe so will have had the brakes adjusted.
Doesn’t change the fact that they are being run illegally and bought with that intent.
 

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