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- Quebec, Canada
I’ve heard that running a ground wire and inch or so below a hot wire works - you could try 2 hot and 2 grounded
"Improving Our Lot" - Planned Holistic Grazing, for starters..
- Thread starter Kiwi Pete
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Yes know what you meant.
Trouble is I've done all them things that are mentioned
but they didnt stop it in the long run and tbh I would prefer not too have with hindsight, thats why I say that it's not the sheeps fault but the ..poor fence ..that gives them a breaking habit and some have got better memories than others.Building at least one ' prison field' is a start.
I've got the job wrong plenty enough
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- somerset
ours are hfrs through the fence.
thought we caught the culprits, obviously not, they definitely know what the fence is, been strip grazed most of the summer, with very few problems, it's how they have learnt, when it's off, that worries me. And i don't know how to stop that ! If on, and they go through, dangling chain around their neck, so they have a good earth, usually sorts it.
JohnGalway
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- Connemara, Ireland
Is there anything to be said for reconsidering shooting them? Thought that was a good, if less economically positive idea compared to Henarars anyway.
Yes but it's not just one or 2 it's virtually the whole flock 
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JohnGalway
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- Connemara, Ireland
Yes but it's not just one or 2 it's virtually the whole flock
So, let me get this right, it's a cartridge shortage issue, yes?
JohnGalway
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- Connemara, Ireland
So, let me get this right, it's a cartridge shortage issue, yes?
See, I've learned to treat the root problem, not the symptom
Indeed, the root of the problem is actually keeping sheep,
.....that and oh yeah, hedge trimming, I wish I had never had anything to do with.... but its probably a bit late now for a career move
JohnGalway
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- Connemara, Ireland
Indeed, the root of the problem is actually keeping sheep,
No, no, it's never too late! Events this week will have me hurtling in a new direction I figure.
- Location
- Devon
Maybe put it 2nd line up?
Are they pushing under or through?
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- Glen Clova, Angus, DD8 4RD
Occasionally I've seen animals who seem to sense when each shock occurs and manage to push between shocks. The long term answer to that is culling
Some energisers do have long gaps between shocks which makes it worse. Many years ago we had one with a switch to change between fast and slow shocks but I can't recall the make now.
Some energisers do have long gaps between shocks which makes it worse. Many years ago we had one with a switch to change between fast and slow shocks but I can't recall the make now.
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- Owaka, New Zealand
I feel really bad commenting about animals that break out because ours just don't 
and most of the time the energiser is turned off, so they know that they could.
Or they could easily jump it if they wanted, ie I could stand with a leg either side of the fence and it would only be up to my shorts or so.
They just know that they stay with their mates or the boss gets peevish and makes them run around for 20 minutes
and most of the time the energiser is turned off, so they know that they could. Or they could easily jump it if they wanted, ie I could stand with a leg either side of the fence and it would only be up to my shorts or so.
They just know that they stay with their mates or the boss gets peevish and makes them run around for 20 minutes
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- somerset
if you have a mains fencer, you have to have a really good earth, instructions say, several earth rods, 1 metre into ground. Then we use a battery fencer..............with at best, 4 prongs 3/4 ins in the ground, i just wonder how the 'poor' earth, reduces shock, to animals, in a dry time. Our hfrs have been on a battery, kale fence, but are now on mains, it's the sensing it's off, that concerns me.
Our mole valley ones have two settings so do the old hotlines
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- Owaka, New Zealand
I just wouldn't turn it off, in that case.
If you get a whack then they will also get a whack
you have learnt, yes? They will learn too.
At the moment you're giving them mixed messages: If nobody's around, the fence hurts.
If someone is around, then it probably doesn't hurt -or it may, but probably not
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- Owaka, New Zealand
You could, or even add another rod at the far end. If it's wet though, you'll struggle to have a poor enough earth for a battery unit. They just don't have the oomph through the unit to suffer, my bigger battery one is 12 joule and it's not really much of a smack compared to the mains ones.
I have put the 36 joule one on just to cope with the grass loading, ie the bottom wire flashes at night and the grass goes brown around it, normally I use a 25 joule one but I have a spare one, thought I'd try it out.
It's definitely more of a challenge to tie a bowline hot with the M36 going.
I only have battery energisers I connect the earth to the permanent boundary fence. Seems to work well.
I don't often have breakouts with the ewes now but when I do the one on the wrong side is skittish and wants to get back with their friends.
Cows the same the odd time I've had one the wrong side of the fence but usually with them it's all or nothing in fairness to them they have only seen electric fence the first time this past 3 weeks and a bit of training in the shed for a week before that. And when they have all broken out (twice) it's been one bulling or I'm pretty sure it was the gamekeeper driving pheasants home and sent the cows over at the same time can't really blame them for that.
I don't often have breakouts with the ewes now but when I do the one on the wrong side is skittish and wants to get back with their friends.
Cows the same the odd time I've had one the wrong side of the fence but usually with them it's all or nothing
in fairness to them they have only seen electric fence the first time this past 3 weeks and a bit of training in the shed for a week before that. And when they have all broken out (twice) it's been one bulling or I'm pretty sure it was the gamekeeper driving pheasants home and sent the cows over at the same time can't really blame them for that.
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- Owaka, New Zealand
I am struggling to get the moo mob to shift at the moment. The sheep are keen because... well, sheep are noisy buggers. But the cattle are like barrels, I have to holler and get the attention of the brown swiss, he leads them, good boy is Cheese
By prison I mean a field that's totally stitched up 360 with a good permanent fence.
Put them in there, the misbehavers...for a time .. gives chance to sort things out , and gets them started onforgetting it, the wanderlust, which is their natural in the wild thing tbf.
Put them in there, the misbehavers...for a time .. gives chance to sort things out , and gets them started onforgetting it, the wanderlust, which is their natural in the wild thing tbf.