- Location
- Yorkshire
Far as I know and I don't know much it says what sheep on farm at 1st December. Not opened it yet
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DEFRA Sheep Census
- Thread starter kfpben
- Start date
- Location
- North Yorkshire
It's what sheep you have on the 1st of December for England.
- Location
- North Yorkshire
And your total figure for everything on the 1st of December should be entered in your own sheep flock records I believe.
Tarw Coch
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- Location
- Bottom of Wats Dyke
I’ve sealed it up now but as I recall, if they were here I should count them, not sure the other way round
spin cycle
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- Location
- north norfolk
- Location
- Montgomeryshire
Certainly in Wales, the owner counts them and fills in the holding number of the farm where they are.
matthew
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- Location
- Cornwall, SW England
Not sure about that. (See Edit)
That's what I understood.
That's what I understand too.
Friend got into trouble last year as she didn't actually own any sheep grazing her holding, so didn't fill it in or put 0. She was told that for England, the December census requires 'sheep on the holding' as at 01/12 not who owns them. The sheep's owner didn't fill anything in either, as they weren't on his holding.
So they weren't counted by anyone.
Edit.
Have just done ours and it refers to 'Keeper' of sheep, not owner. And gives a list of holding numbers if they are spread around. Now I'm confused too
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- Location
- Devon
I've just checked as I've kept a copy of my return for years.
The wording is 'keeper'.
I assume the 'keeper' is the person responsible for the sheep and therefore the one who should have them recorded in their flock register.
You then give details of where you are keeping those sheep.
It doesn't matter if you own them but you must account for the number of sheep you have recorded in YOUR register.
In your friends case, I don't believe they were wrong. The owner should have counted them and made sure the grazing was properly recorded as a movement or a TLA/tCPH unless your friend had put them in their flock register.
matthew
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- Location
- Cornwall, SW England
Yes. I think you're correct. I've just made the same point, as an Edit.
I will be having similar, with probably 6/700 wintered sheep coming from Wales between the two dates.Hmmmm, I fillled mine out as none for today, cousins fetching some wintering tomorrow so won’t go on his for 1st January, the mystery of the disappearing sheep
That’s going to confuse the bean counters somewhere
So not here on 1st Dec, not there on 1st Jan
- Location
- Devon
I will be having similar, with probably 6/700 wintered sheep coming from Wales between the two dates.
So not here on 1st Dec, not there on 1st Jan
Do you put the wintering sheep in your flock record book? If not, he is still the keeper.
If you do, it's their problem for choosing different dates.
primmiemoo
Member
- Location
- Devon
I don't think I've seen one of those to fill up this year. Are any sent as emails?
spin cycle
Member
- Location
- north norfolk
primmiemoo
Member
- Location
- Devon
mine came by email primi
Oh ...
[Sfx: Rifling though a month's worth of emails ... ]
Yes email
Probably mature ewes will be used to calculate financial aid , if there would be any financial aid that is
The start time is a second after Midnight on 1st Dec.
If you sold lambs after that, you can obviously include them on the census. But as the ewe-lambs have not been put to the tup, they won't count towards your number of breeding sheep.
You could always say they were put to the ram ,,,,,,, some times a ram might not work,
and Northern Ireland is BETWEEN the 1st and 5th of December, just to be even more different LOLEngland is as of December 1st, Wales is as of Jan 1st.
Got to be different, we’re devolved you know.
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