Do you have Permanent Grassland in your farming system?

onesiedale

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This thread has become a typical TFF thread already-no one has looked at the details-but kicked off on a rant about something else

LOOK AT THE LINK-the project is nothing to do with ELMS but is a European funded project which ADAS are paid by a European research organisation to run.
point taken. but even so if they had planned their survey better, the telephone survey would be better conducted in a more concise manner. 90 minutes is rather excessive. I think the big clue to any DEFRA connection is the use of the word 'co-develop' . sounds harmless, but it really does echo the language coming out of the current ELMS discussions.

Like @Agrivator has pointed out the preliminary survey does nothing towards harvesting information or informing respondents of any context.
 
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holwellcourtfarm

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But nowhere in the preliminary survey do they define what they mean by Permanent Pasture.

Can anyone on here offer a definition?
Do they mean diverse old multi-species grassland as farmers usually do or the EU/DEFRA definition of anything down to grass for >5 years regardless whether it has been reseeded in that time? There's a huge difference in management required and output achieved.
 

holwellcourtfarm

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Which reminds me. Have you - or anyone reading this - yet had a reply to the offer to take part in the ELMS co-development process ?
No reply here........

Still waiting. :unsure:

Perhaps I should have set up a consultancy company and submitted an "ELMS Test and Trial" project with a funding application instead to get heard?
 

som farmer

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somerset
is there still such a thing as permanent pasture ? Given that grass has been treated, fertilized, drained, cut, different grazers, many times, since it was cleared from woodland. Permanent pasture has been created/manipulated by man for centuries. Surveys, can be easily manipulated, i do a lot of them, starts by asking questions about 'unconnected' things, from that, they can deduce if you are going to give the 'right' answers, for the paying customer ! An hour long survey, is boring, and to fill an hour with questions.............you will end up, fed up.
 
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steveR

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ADAS are looking for farmers and land managers to participate in a research project on Permanent Grasslands in UK farming systems. This is part of the Horizon 2020 Super-G project.

We will be conducting telephone interviews with UK farmers and land managers throughout January and February 2021 to learn how their grassland is being managed. Participants who complete a telephone interview with us will be entered into a £500 prize draw.

The interview will follow a structured set of questions for approximately 1 hr 15 min. Questions will cover:

All sounds very funky and cool, but not much funding, if the best you can do is offer me the chance to win 500 quid.... At the very least a bottle of wine or 3!

I guess the EU moneypot is drying up...

Chuck the questions up on a decent survey website for a lot less.
 

som farmer

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All sounds very funky and cool, but not much funding, if the best you can do is offer me the chance to win 500 quid.... At the very least a bottle of wine or 3!

I guess the EU moneypot is drying up...

Chuck the questions up on a decent survey website for a lot less.
of course the money pots drying up, we have left.
 

Brid @ ADAS

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Grassland Exhibitor
Morning everyone! A mix of questions and comments here so I'll do my best to answer for those interested
  • Permanent grassland is 5 years of continuous grass without ploughing. Livestock and dairy farms all count.
  • SUPER-G is not a Defra project so this is not related to ELMS.
  • SUPER-G started in 2018. As it is an ongoing EU project, we are allowed to continue to participate and finish the work even though the UK is no longer an EU member. SUPER-G will finish in 2023.
  • I'll feedback comments about the interview to those running this and doing the interviews.
  • If participating isn't of interest, that's understandable and fair enough! If it is, that's great!
Cheers! Brid
 

Sid

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South Molton
of course the money pots drying up, we have left.
Its a €10 million project

How do you spend that amount of money on looking at grass?
 

Agrivator

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Morning everyone! A mix of questions and comments here so I'll do my best to answer for those interested
  • Permanent grassland is 5 years of continuous grass without ploughing. Livestock and dairy farms all count.
Cheers! Brid

But to me, permanent grassland is pastureland which is unsuitable for cropping, but which, if not too steep, could possibly provide hay or even silage in addition to grazing. Even if it has just been reseeded, it would still be regarded as permanent pasture.

Grass in an arable rotation, whether it is 1 year old or 10 years old, is completely different, and certainly would not be classed as Permanent Pasture.

So it's a bit silly starting a survey without defining exactly what you mean by Permanent Pasture. And even your above definition
''Permanent grassland is 5 years of continuous grass without ploughing'' is confusing. What does that mean exactly?
 

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