much better, the UK leading the way in environmentally friendly
Single Market / Customs Union - A Tragic Loss
- Thread starter Ashtree
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- Location
- Limousin, France
Completely ignoring the fact that the uk had the best deal of all the 28 . Rebate, no euro etc. Please sir , can I have some more!
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- Limousin
Are you trying to say that Brexit and the mess the UK now finds itself in is all down to the EU commission.? Funnily enough I don't remember them ever suggesting that the UK should leave.
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- somerset
whether you like it, or not, the clear result of the referendum, and the last election supported the position of leave, and that is what happened. There are basically two choices for the UK, sit and moan, or make the best of it, my glass is half full, never half empty, so i look for positives, and even you will have to admit, truss has signed up a lot of new deals, willingly admit, some are only 'roll over' deals from the EU, but we were told we wouldn't be able to get them, and their are some truly massive agreements to be had, india, for example, has been negotiating with the EU for 7 years, and still no agreement, yet we are fairly close to signing one now. What many people in the UK, and any areas of europe, is the quest for more and more central government, from brussels, with loss of any national pride. Brexit is a huge disaster, for both us, and europe, but it was arrogance that caused it. But as said, we are out, and it is up to us, to succeed or fail, i would much rather create trading partnerships, with expanding, and vibrant economies, than return to europe.
The biggest threat you have, is from youth unemployment, up to 25% in some states, and brussels has no answer, it doesn't even seem to care, which is really dangerous territory for you to be in, that has been the precursor of cival war, for the last 200 years or more, not suggesting that will happen, and sincerely hope it doesn't, but that is the dangerous realms you are moving in. Germany has lent 1000 trillion euros, to member states, the chances of getting any back, is remote, it cannot continue, there has to be a resolution to the problem, the smart money is on germany ditching the euro, what happens then ? The biggest problem the EU faces, is to stop other countries leaving, if the commission follows it's usual answer of 'smoothing' problems, like the deal with poland and hungary, that just annoys other states, that do not get a 'sweetener', what happens when merkle retires soon, would you want macron as the EU figurehead, as merkle is now ? How much longer can the EU survive, in it's present form, without some radicle changes, the next german chancellor, has very different views to merkle.
Perhaps you, as very much a pro-europe person, can answer these few simple questions,
how can greece get out of it's 'basket case' economy, and repay it's debts ?
how can italy stop the deep recession it's clearly heading towards ?
how can spain reduce it's youth unemployment down from 25% ?
how can the countries that were 'baled' out, pay the money back ?
and the last one, how is germany going to retrieve the vast sums of money, it has borrowed, to lend to the poorer states, and how long before it say's enough ?
I have never suggested the road ahead would be easy, i honestly don't know, but what i do know, is the simple fact that we have to move forward, and a lot of countries are pleased to continue trading, or start trading, with us, and that is now, the only way forward.
Of course they did not want us to leave. They have spent years trying to snare us, enravel us in bureaucracy and now we have escaped the trap they do not like it. Tough luck, we will survive.
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- somerset
dead simple, they laughed at cameron, who was stupid enough to say, if he didn't get 'help' he would commit to an in, or out referendum. Even merkle admits that was a huge mistake, no-one in brussels, or even here, really expected a leave vote. So yes, the commission was the cause, they are politicians, they knew what cameron had promised, and were not prepared to help him, as an honourable man, he held one, the rest is history. Just because they didn't think we would leave, is no excuse. We all have to live with that.
ACEngineering
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- Location
- Oxon
An insight in to who not to spend ones hard earned with
we dont live in the dark ages anymore
we dont live in the dark ages anymore
You recon so after seeing the current and prior to Christmas shenanigans!!
As a result of those actions, my spending choices upon where I will spend money will obviously be looked at deeper now, and yes it will no doubt mean changes in options - but not the end of the world if you are not a brand snob.
Spend your money where it is appreciated and respected, not somewhere because we are conditioned!!
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- Limousin/Charentes toad land
Good grief man, I’ve been doing that my whole life, I’m frankly stunned you haven’t
It wasn't as imperative until recently to be completely focused, and as such, some purchases may have gone to others who are not such a viable option..
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- Limousin/Charentes toad land
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- somerset
where's the answers ? or are you crying, because you can't, i don't think they are unreasonable, they reflect exactly what's happening in the EU, they certainly will have a great influence, on your future, presuming you are still inside the EU. If not, you certainly need to find some reality in your life, because for the UK, it's time to move on, for us, the EU is yesterdays news, we need to find tomorrows news.
This sums you up Ashy lad, when someone answers your snide sarcasm with realism you have nothing.
You're better than that, you're not stupid, @som farmer has made valid points that there may be trouble ahead but the EU possibly have even more.
Debate reasonably like a grown up and people will respect it but act like a Dick and people just presume you are one.
Farm produce prices do. If this carries on, I can well see a return to the pic posted above.we dont live in the dark ages anymore
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- Montgomeryshire
It won’t carry on though. You’ve been blaming the EU for it for years and we’re out now. UK Ag will surely thrive mightily now?
- Location
- Montgomeryshire
Still trying to figure out what we have actually supposed to have gained from all this
‘Sovereignty’. Keep up.
Been ok since we leftIt won’t carry on though. You’ve been blaming the EU for it for years and we’re out now. UK Ag will surely thrive mightily now?
Absolutely‘Sovereignty’. Keep up.