Beef / Lamb & Pig Price Tracker

Al R

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
West Wales
Going back to the deduction for a lamb that died a week after it was sold at Auction then this is not correct.
"Caveat Emptor" Buyer Beware is what occurs at any auction and at the fall of the hammer the ownership changes to the successful bidder.

There are always a few provisos such as buying animals guaranteed in lamb or in calf. Or Vice Versa!!

The auctioneer should never have taken the money off for a sheep that died a week after the sale or even a day after.
You would certainly know better than me on this Frank but I did read the LAA t&c’s after it happened and I’m sure it said that the seller owns the animal until the hammer goes down. The auctioneer owns the animal from when the hammer goes down until that animal has been paid for. Buyer owns the animal once it has been paid for in full. Hence why some have to go collecting not only the debts their owed but the animal’s themselves.
 

Frank-the-Wool

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
East Sussex
You would certainly know better than me on this Frank but I did read the LAA t&c’s after it happened and I’m sure it said that the seller owns the animal until the hammer goes down. The auctioneer owns the animal from when the hammer goes down until that animal has been paid for. Buyer owns the animal once it has been paid for in full. Hence why some have to go collecting not only the debts their owed but the animal’s themselves.

I believe what you say is correct, however the important part is that once the hammer falls it is the buyers property.
Yes if the buyer defaults then the auctioneer is liable to pay the vendor and so yes the property belongs to the auction house.

However all terms of sale are payment on the day or before the property leaves the sale room or premises. If an auction house allows credit then it is at their risk surely.
 

Stw88

Member
Location
Northumberland
Just be like what happend in the summer when the price stayed high. Was a few Mondays at Carlisle where things were sticky for the secondary sorts then trade bounced back stronger by the Thursday. A drover at long town did say that a buyer has said they would be less this week.
 

LAMBCHOPS

Member
1 kg docked for c.tennoculos or something and 1/500 might have 0.5kg off for bruising or arthritis.. but the whole amount docked in a year would be less than the 1 lamb the mart didn’t pay for, considering over half of what the mart had were good to kill they made £20/head less than if I’d sent them dead, yes plain types or mule whethers or exlana whethers but it doesn’t matter on the dead
I believe what you say is correct, however the important part is that once the hammer falls it is the buyers property.
Yes if the buyer defaults then the auctioneer is liable to pay the vendor and so yes the property belongs to the auction house.

However all terms of sale are payment on the day or before the property leaves the sale room or premises. If an auction house allows credit then it is at their risk surely.
stated on auctioneers terms although have not got it in front of me at mo. "Goods remain in the auctioneers ownership/title?until paid for" how does that sit then??
 
He reckons the slaughterhouses will try and drag the price back, while the strong price pulls in big numbers, lower price - drop in numbers coming forward. Shortage again, price will rise. He thinks they will do it a couple of times before the trade settles for the spring.
Yes ABP was doing this it was obvious with their small drops and subsequent large hikes when they were short
 
Just be like what happend in the summer when the price stayed high. Was a few Mondays at Carlisle where things were sticky for the secondary sorts then trade bounced back stronger by the Thursday. A drover at long town did say that a buyer has said they would be less this week.
Which drover is this?
 

neilo

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Montgomeryshire
stated on auctioneers terms although have not got it in front of me at mo. "Goods remain in the auctioneers ownership/title?until paid for" how does that sit then??

That means that if the buyers don’t pay, and the auctioneers get left holding the can, they will try to lift the vendor’s leg by withholding payment?

I’d be kicking up a stink.
 

ffukedfarmer

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
West Kent
Going back to the deduction for a lamb that died a week after it was sold at Auction then this is not correct.
"Caveat Emptor" Buyer Beware is what occurs at any auction and at the fall of the hammer the ownership changes to the successful bidder.

There are always a few provisos such as buying animals guaranteed in lamb or in calf. Or Vice Versa!!

The auctioneer should never have taken the money off for a sheep that died a week after the sale or even a day after.

I had one deducted sold at Ashford 2 years ago.

 

LAMBCHOPS

Member
That means that if the buyers don’t pay, and the auctioneers get left holding the can, they will try to lift the vendor’s leg by withholding payment?

I’d be kicking up a stink.
No they pay but can retrieve goods off buyer if not paid for.terms and conditions of sale. I always pay on day
 

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