Donald J Trump will.....MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!!!

Henarar · Jan 20, 2021

czechmate said:
I think dividend is the word you are after

Wasn't it divided when he was voted in ?
Most likely its more divided now but if it wasn't then he wouldn't have got in in the first place.
Former leaders have to look at themselves in part for the reasons so many voted for him in both elections, yes a fair few were most likely extremist wackows but if the new administration just ignores all those that voted for him they may well just be storing up trouble for the future

neilo · Jan 20, 2021

Henarar said:
Wasn't it divided when he was voted in ?
Most likely its more divided now but if it wasn't then he wouldn't have got in in the first place.
Former leaders have to look at themselves in part for the reasons so many voted for him in both elections, yes a fair few were most likely extremist wackows but if the new administration just ignores all those that voted for him they may well just be storing up trouble for the future

I quite agree, any leader has to represent all the people, not just those that voted for them. Biden will perform miracles if he can even start to heal the rift, especially given that Trump will no doubt continue to stoke the fire for personal gain.

That was one of the things that p*ssed me off about the hard Brexiteers, who had complete disregard for the 48% that voted Remain. It was always going to store up trouble, and will continue to do so.
I voted remain, but accepted the ref result and we had to follow it through. BUT the government has the difficult job of representing both factions and a hard Brexit, as promoted by many, would have driven the divide even deeper.

Henarar · Jan 20, 2021

neilo said:
I quite agree, any leader has to represent all the people, not just those that voted for them. Biden will perform miracles if he can even start to heal the rift, especially given that Trump will no doubt continue to stoke the fire for personal gain.

That was one of the things that p*ssed me off about the hard Brexiteers, who had complete disregard for the 48% that voted Remain. It was always going to store up trouble, and will continue to do so.
I voted remain, but accepted the ref result and we had to follow it through. BUT the government has the difficult job of representing both factions and a hard Brexit, as promoted by many, would have driven the divide even deeper.

I have long argued that the leave vote was brought about by past government by ignoring what turned out to be around half the voting population, if they had been happy with how things were the leave vote wouldn't have happened, will our leaders or those in America learn for these things remains to be seen, I don't think our past leaders have taken any responsibility and I won't hold my breath for them to do so.

Muck Spreader · Jan 20, 2021

The GOP could well end up suffering the the fate that Cameron narrowly avoided with the Tories by calling for a referendum. If the GOP spits in two due to Trump you can expect a very long period of Democratic rule in the US.

Hindsight · Jan 20, 2021

neilo said:
I quite agree, any leader has to represent all the people, not just those that voted for them. Biden will perform miracles if he can even start to heal the rift, especially given that Trump will no doubt continue to stoke the fire for personal gain.

That was one of the things that p*ssed me off about the hard Brexiteers, who had complete disregard for the 48% that voted Remain. It was always going to store up trouble, and will continue to do so.
I voted remain, but accepted the ref result and we had to follow it through. BUT the government has the difficult job of representing both factions and a hard Brexit, as promoted by many, would have driven the divide even deeper.

Have we not had a hard Brexit? I listened to those nice men Mr Hannan and Mr Farage representing the Leave campaign in 2016. They talked and are on record as saying that Leaving the EU the UK could still be a member of the Single Market, Customs Union etc. Either they were at the time ignorant or they were knowledgeable - in which case they misrepresented the situation (a posh way of saying they lied).

Henarar · Jan 20, 2021

Hindsight said:
Have we not had a hard Brexit? I listened to those nice men Mr Hannan and Mr Farage representing the Leave campaign in 2016. They talked and are on record as saying that Leaving the EU the UK could still be a member of the Single Market, Customs Union etc. Either they were at the time ignorant or they were knowledgeable - in which case they misrepresented the situation (a posh way of saying they lied).

They were the latter, the UK could

neilo · Jan 20, 2021

Hindsight said:
Have we not had a hard Brexit? I listened to those nice men Mr Hannan and Mr Farage representing the Leave campaign in 2016. They talked and are on record as saying that Leaving the EU the UK could still be a member of the Single Market, Customs Union etc. Either they were at the time ignorant or they were knowledgeable - in which case they misrepresented the situation (a posh way of saying they lied).

It’s been a lot softer than it might have been, and probably as good a fudge as we could have hoped for to appease both factions, whilst also not pleasing either very much of course.

Leaving on WTO terms would have been very much worse for the economy, whatever any selfish ignoramuses might have claimed.

Mr Jones · Jan 20, 2021

Ashtree said:
It’s certainly ‘grated” again!

Over the 4 years, It's only been beneficial to Israel. Possibly, that could be down to the influence of Kushner.

NZDan · Jan 20, 2021

Muck Spreader said:
The GOP could well end up suffering the the fate that Cameron narrowly avoided with the Tories by calling for a referendum. If the GOP spits in two due to Trump you can expect a very long period of Democratic rule in the US.

I don't think they'll rule for long, if one party has too much power they will drift too far in one direction, prompting a surge of support the other way.

le bon paysan · Jan 20, 2021

Henarar said:
Wasn't it divided when he was voted in ?
Most likely its more divided now but if it wasn't then he wouldn't have got in in the first place.
Former leaders have to look at themselves in part for the reasons so many voted for him in both elections, yes a fair few were most likely extremist wackows but if the new administration just ignores all those that voted for him they may well just be storing up trouble for the future

Most sensible thing you've written

Henarar · Jan 20, 2021

le bon paysan said:
Most sensible thing you've written

Most sensible thing you have written

NZDan · Jan 21, 2021

Looks like creepy Joe's 25000 troops to protect him was over kill, the protest zone was completely empty, looks like the so called Trump supporters didn't amount to much at all, makes me wonder what last week's shenanigans was really all about.

kiwi pom · Jan 21, 2021

NZDan said:
Looks like creepy Joe's 25000 troops to protect him was over kill, the protest zone was completely empty, looks like the so called Trump supporters didn't amount to much at all, makes me wonder what last week's shenanigans was really all about.

Media getting all carried away, trying to make a bigger thing that a protest that lasted just a few hours warranted.
They're not going to do a story about how wrong they were though, they'll just quietly drop the subject and hope no one notices.

Meanwhile it's business as usual in Portland.
Doesn't seem to make international headlines though.
Portland Protesters Smash Windows of Local Democratic Party Headquarters - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

Stuart J · Jan 21, 2021

NZDan said:
Looks like creepy Joe's 25000 troops to protect him was over kill, the protest zone was completely empty, looks like the so called Trump supporters didn't amount to much at all, makes me wonder what last week's shenanigans was really all about.

I'd say it must have been enough as it worked. Deterred anyone from doing anything. Success.

czechmate · Jan 21, 2021

Stuart J said:
I'd say it must have been enough as it worked. Deterred anyone from doing anything. Success.

That was my thought

NZDan · Jan 21, 2021

Stuart J said:
I'd say it must have been enough as it worked. Deterred anyone from doing anything. Success.

The fact that there were no Trump supporters seem really strange, not one anywhere not even a quiet passive one, even with that much security there should have been at least a few, where were they? Did they ever exist? Biden had just a few hundred supporters who couldn't do anything and Trump had just 500 at his rally. For all the division and supposed hate there is where were they all?

Henarar · Jan 21, 2021

kiwi pom said:
Media getting all carried away, trying to make a bigger thing that a protest that lasted just a few hours warranted.
They're not going to do a story about how wrong they were though, they'll just quietly drop the subject and hope no one notices.

Meanwhile it's business as usual in Portland.
Doesn't seem to make international headlines though.
Portland Protesters Smash Windows of Local Democratic Party Headquarters - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

seems strange that they only seemed to have half a dozen people guarding the place when trumps supporters got in.
absolutely p1ss poor security of such an important building and supposedly they knew the protest was going on, if they didn't that is a bit useless as well.
perhaps instead of fecking about impeaching trump when he has already gone they should find out what went wrong.

Ashtree · Jan 21, 2021

So Trump has slunk away to Florida with his tail between his bone spurs.
Already the neighbours have kicked off. They reckon they have a binding legal agreement that he can spend no more than 7 days there at a time, and no more than 21 days per year.
Nobody but nobody wants the twit right now ....

Mr Jones · Jan 21, 2021

Some,not all of the NG troops turned their back on Bidens motorcade.

Think we will see a lot more noise from regular infantry, banners with 'not my president' for starters.

mwj · Jan 21, 2021

Mr Jones said:
Some,not all of the NG troops turned their back on Bidens motorcade.

Think we will see a lot more noise from regular infantry, banners with 'not my president' for starters.

If the guard were there to protect the people on the street, would some of them be observing in all directions? It is human nature to grasp at straws. Check and see that ''national guard '' are not full time soldiers.

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