The Red Tractor ACCS referendum

Would you leave or remain a Red Tractor ACCS member ?

  • Yes, I would resign my Red Tractor (ACCS) membership and join a new "equal to imports" Scheme

    Votes: 659 96.1%
  • No, I would remain in the Red Tractor scheme

    Votes: 27 3.9%

  • Total voters
    686

manhill

Member
That's ok as long as it applies to all producers here and overseas having recognised educational qualifications that can be verified by physical inspections by our newly to be formed 'Agricultural Products Inspectorate'.
 

colhonk

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Darlington
Just because you may have piece of paper that says you can do something,, It does not mean that in real life you can.

Hows about we get a petition up to make MP`s and civil servants get qualifications to make decisions about our lives? as they do not do at the moment.
 
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Chris F

Staff Member
Media
Location
Hammerwich
The RT scheme is now totaly `unfit for purpose` for its paymasters ( US) and not even a glimmer of what it was promised to be.
The people running it are completely incompetant and should be disbanded without any payoffs and pensions earned as they have done such a bad job for us farmers.

I asked them a few follow up questions. Am getting no comment now. Heads are in the sand right now, hoping this will blow over if they keep quite.

It's not going to Red Tractor - you are just annoying people even more with your silence.

"Ashamed", "shambles", "disgrace", "not fit for purpose". That is what is associated with Red Tractor right now.
 

principal skinner

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Bedfordshire
You forgot, inco
I asked them a few follow up questions. Am getting no comment now. Heads are in the sand right now, hoping this will blow over if they keep quite.

It's not going to Red Tractor - you are just annoying people even more with your silence.

"Ashamed", "shambles", "disgrace", "not fit for purpose". That is what is associated with Red Tractor right now.
you forgot, incompetent, jobs for the boys, make it up as you go along and many others I’m sure. NFU and Red Tractor, if you are reading this, you should be ashamed of yourselves. YOU WORK FOR US, WE PAY YOUR WAGES!
 

MrNoo

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Cirencester
It's not going to Red Tractor - you are just annoying people even more with your silence.

To be honest I wouldnt expect anything less from such an upstanding organisation, you get the same treatment from NSF when they tell you youre about to be booted out the scheme because a mill so say found trace of ergot (well bugs they said first) but when sent for cleaning, zero bugs found.
The man from NSF phoned and spoke to me like I was a piece of dirt and wanted action plans and some other plan to ensure it didnt happen again. 1 load in over a 1,000t of milling wheat, fecking jobsworths waste of space
 

Drillman

Member
Mixed Farmer
The fact that RT point blank refuses to engage more openly with its members is a total disgrace.
im sure there reading this and although they don’t have to respond directly some communication even if via moderators would have been polite.

like others have said we pay there wages and there currently not giving value for money and are denying there’s a problem.
 

Grass And Grain

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Yorks
I asked them a few follow up questions. Am getting no comment now. Heads are in the sand right now, hoping this will blow over if they keep quite.

It's not going to Red Tractor - you are just annoying people even more with your silence.

"Ashamed", "shambles", "disgrace", "not fit for purpose". That is what is associated with Red Tractor right now.
Paid my 'membership' last year, emailed memner help with my thoughts, and asked questions. Received absolutely nothing back.

They're just ignoring us and hoping we go away. They should at least reply to their farmer members.
 

Drillman

Member
Mixed Farmer
Paid my 'membership' last year, emailed memner help with my thoughts, and asked questions. Received absolutely nothing back.

They're just ignoring us and hoping we go away. They should at least reply to their farmer members.
They won’t, all RT top brass is interested in is getting there snout in the trough, they couldn’t care less about UK agriculture. To them we’re just a nuisance.
 

Grass And Grain

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Yorks
They won’t, all RT top brass is interested in is getting there snout in the trough, they couldn’t care less about UK agriculture. To them we’re just a nuisance.
We're just slaves to pay their wages (metaphorically speaking). Try to run away and we're seemingly deemed unfit food producers, not good enough to be suppliers. That terrible stigma of 'un-assured'

We can't even supply a single load of wheat to a feed mill because they've stitched up the whole supply chain. Between the assurance schemea (i think RT and AIC) they've banned all the UFAS accredited mills from accepting UK grain unless it's got a RT sticker. And now they've banned RT livestock farmers from buying compound feed unless it's from a UFAS mill. And their rules say the grain can only be transported to and from a UFAS mill in a TASC inspected lorry.

So the farmer has to have RT, the mill has to have UFAS and the haulier has to have TASC. It's a perfect gravy train for RT and AIC. The mill, the haulier and the farmer have to pay up or they can't operate.

I guess they've got control of 100% of the English farm assurance market.

If RT don't change, I predict many people will leave or farmers will start a rival scheme. Then RT will be history, and the cushy well paid board member jobs will be gone. And they'll only have themselves to blame dor their own demise.

Stopped beef assurance last year, and now looking hard at ACCS.

The costs associated with being RT assured are just getting too much for small farmers. They're driving me out of business and affecting my mental welbeing. RT have got worker welfare guidance, yet as a small business they are slowly driving me out of business.
 
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Grass And Grain

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Yorks
If we all say no @Bury the Trash then I don't know what they can do. Supermarkets will still need food.

Slightly tricky, as we're all on different start dates. But maybe we could all have a month or two off. E.g. just suddenly everyone only offer grain to the merchants without a sticker for a couple of months.

Edit. A decent union could organise that.
 
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tr250

Member
Location
Northants
I voted remain purely as we have a lot of livestock. I also like to see the red tractor logo in the shops. I would like to see it have a bit of a shake up and be more about the farm/produce than the paperwork
 

Grass And Grain

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Yorks
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I don't get the NFU. On the one hand Minette Batters and NFU have campaigned that imports should meet UK standards. That's a reasonable ask.

Then NFU partly own RT, and they've got NFU representatives on the sector boards. Who owns AIC (UFAS, TASC, FEMAS etc.)? I don't know, but whoever owns AIC, has made up an assurance scheme which stipulates UK grain must be gold plated RT assured, whilst openly allows imported grain to be used in the self same mills.

The two things just don't marry up together. They're completely opposing policies.

Looking at the RT combinables board, the NFU member of the board is Kit Papworth. Is Kit on TFF? Anyone know him?

If you read this Kit, what do you think? We'd be interested if you'd join the discussion on here as to how to move this forward and produce a reasoned policy going forward.
 

SFI - What % were you taking out of production?

  • 0 %

    Votes: 77 43.5%
  • Up to 25%

    Votes: 62 35.0%
  • 25-50%

    Votes: 28 15.8%
  • 50-75%

    Votes: 3 1.7%
  • 75-100%

    Votes: 3 1.7%
  • 100% I’ve had enough of farming!

    Votes: 4 2.3%

Red Tractor drops launch of green farming scheme amid anger from farmers

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As reported in Independent


quote: “Red Tractor has confirmed it is dropping plans to launch its green farming assurance standard in April“

read the TFF thread here: https://thefarmingforum.co.uk/index.php?threads/gfc-was-to-go-ahead-now-not-going-ahead.405234/
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