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For those that are interested a very interesting pic showing RC rooting depth
All NFU members in Wales got a free one sent with their latest catalogue
Treated seed weighs can weigh x3 more. Plan accordingly. Depending on what I am doing I will use 2 lbs per acre in a mix up to 4 lbs a acre for pure stand. I use inculcated seed weighs three times as much as bare seed. If I want a chicory plant every 8 meters I use 1 lb per acre. These are broadcasting rates during the fall before paddock close up.0.30 kg to 0.80 kg per acre, no more
I'm putting 0.30 kg in mine
Docks love N and will scavenge excess N. That can be good until the plant becomes stressed. At which point that N turns into Nitrate. Heat and lack of water will stress it. Having a animal suffering from Nitrate poisoning is not a pleasant thing and once it starts, go get a gun and a shovel.I was going to say that my countryside stewardship officer (and before anyone jumps to conclusions shes no tree hugger so wasn't saying it to stop us spraying - shes brilliant and havent a bad word against her) was telling me that docks only taste bad to cows if they've had nitrogen spread on them.
So why do we hate them??? All I've heard so far is:
- anti bloat,
- free
- deep rooting (therefore drought resistant)
- extra minerals
- no nitrogen required
Docks love N and will scavenge excess N. That can be good until the plant becomes stressed. At which point that N turns into Nitrate. Heat and lack of water will stress it. A series of events that you may not see in parts of the world.I was going to say that my countryside stewardship officer (and before anyone jumps to conclusions shes no tree hugger so wasn't saying it to stop us spraying - shes brilliant and havent a bad word against her) was telling me that docks only taste bad to cows if they've had nitrogen spread on them.
So why do we hate them??? All I've heard so far is:
- anti bloat,
- free
- deep rooting (therefore drought resistant)
- extra minerals
- no nitrogen required
No "weeds" for comparison thoughThat's another good one
No "weeds" for comparison though
oh, look, a penny!!
Thanks for the link. Did not know about it. I will read into it.Bit out if date but Richard is very informative with his blogsSowing a Grass & Clover Ley - Agricology Vlog August 2019 - Agricology
Richard Smith, Farms Manager at Daylesford Organic Farm discusses how he is converting a conventional arable field into a grass and clover ley for livestock and the reasons for doing it.www.agricology.co.uk
@Derrick Hughes If Red clover is to be avoided for ewelambs intended for breeding, which legumes would be safer ? White? Lucerne? Crimson?
There's a risk with all of them but Red Clover stands out, the white clover effect is minimum as its not normally grown as a pure stand . Its diluted by the grass in the sward but can be made worse by environmental conditions, stress on the plant , I certainly would not feed a pure stand of lucerne at mating or a pure stand of white clover , but the truth is enough is not known@Derrick Hughes If Red clover is to be avoided for ewelambs intended for breeding, which legumes would be safer ? White? Lucerne? Crimson?
There's a risk with all of them but Red Clover stands out, the white clover effect is minimum as its not normally grown as a pure stand . Its diluted by the grass in the sward but can be made worse by environmental conditions, stress on the plant , I certainly would not feed a pure stand of lucerne at mating or a pure stand of white clover , but the truth is enough is not known
Never said that .So your saying that to improve ewe conception rates don't graze them on any leys with any clover?
You said there is a risk with them ALL.Never said that .
The information is not available in any form of guarantee.
But its quite clear that pure stands of Red clover should be avoided at Mating and prolonged feeding of Pure Red clover can cause permanent infertility
The information on other Legumes is more complicated, but no legume under stress from weather or dessese of some kind should be fed at matting as this increases the risk , levels in other legumes are a lot lower than Red Clover, any legume as part of a mix would be of no issue if it was only a small part of the mix