SilliamWhale
Member
I don't know of any pies which have RT on them? I think the fresh meat has it on them
livestock producers- Red Tractor question ?
- Thread starter Clive
- Start date
- Location
- Glen Clova, Angus, DD8 4RD
Now we are out we should completely reform food labeling laws here to work as a "typical man/woman in the street" would expect.
British should mean totally British (all ingredients and any processing)
UK likewise
If only processed here then that's what it should say (and declare where the ingredients so processed came from).
"Produce of multiple countries" or similar is a cop out and should not be allowed, as is the fudge "British and Irish".
If your supply system is so complex that you can't label the origin then "produce of uncertain origin" is at least honest.
No customers are asking whether the ingredients were RT farm assured at the till so stop abusing the idea to control producers.
farmerm
Member
- Location
- Shropshire
It seems to me that local buyers can purchase 1000 head of FA lambs and 1000head of none FA lambs at market... they all get loaded and mixed up and taken to slaughter. Buyer/processer can produce paperwork for 1000FA lambs... Retailers A takes 800FA lambs, Retailer B takes 800FA lambs and perhaps Retailer C takes 600 none FA lambs.. obviously it only seems like that happens, I mean that wouldn't really be the case would it...
- Location
- South Molton
The magic of red tractor where non assured magically become assured! But rules are rules I guess
@Bald Rick bought some cows from foreign land and I am guessing their milk became RT as soon as their feet hit Welsh soil.
farmerm
Member
- Location
- Shropshire
so, what does happen to the surplus?
The magic of red tractor where non assured magically become assured! But rules are rules I guess
@Bald Rick bought some cows from foreign land and I am guessing their milk became RT as soon as their feet hit Welsh soil.
Yes but if you think about it, their milk is produced from certified or RT checked sources so it makes sense that it would be classed as RT milk
- Location
- South Molton
Maybe after a week or so yes but not straight away?
You may have bought in calf or dry cows in which case its different.
IIRC
Its 3 months under organic feeding and 6 months vet med rules before they produce organic milk.
- Location
- South Molton
That to me is acceptable
spin cycle
Member
- Location
- north norfolk
you're not wrong @Raider112
six years ago rt were presenting wla as a done deal with consultation only on it's implementation....george useless was telling mp sub com. that wla was done
i was watching videos of west country farmers at meetings standing up and saying NO......i was writing letters and lobbying whilst my dad was dieing and i don't even keep cattle...... because i realised that if they won that their aim of complete vertical integration would be a huge step closer
i left rt a year later and the last 5 years have been the hardest mentally/financially/physically of my entire life.....but i'm thru it
i realise this may be a forum ending post for me but where the feck where you then @Grass And Grain?
i was in accs for 17 years without a single non conformance but i fought it every single year......so i'm afraid i find it rather offensive when FINALLY some 'combine jockeys' turn up ... decide they've 'had enough' and start 'throwing stones' at other sectors
you lot have got to grow some balls and tell rt that without wholescale reform you're off and mean it...otherwise nuckle under
you lot have learnt nothing and are no further forward than a month ago
RT and NFU are masters of bluff/bluster....they'll argue til your more exhausted than they.....they know the longer it goes on the better they like it
do you honestly think that RT are miraculously gonna suddenly say 'oh yeah you're right ...we'll pack up right now'?
fudging round with AHDB is all very well but they sound nice guys and RT'll pee up their backs all day long IMO
where was the harm in asking the CFA to investigate AIC over the fact imports don't need assurance but domestic does?...if CMA comes back exonerating AIC then you've lost nowt?...you've given AIC time to try and smokescreen any wrong doing (if there is any)
TBH i think you've lost...you can't play by 'queensbury rules' agin a 'cage fighting' RT....they have no honour and don't care IMO
i'm out
- Location
- Yorks
I expect you're probably right. RT won't roll over will they, otherwise they'll lose income from 17,000 cereal farmers. That's about £450,000/annum in farmer royalties.you lot have learnt nothing and are no further forward than a month ago
RT and NFU are masters of bluff/bluster....they'll argue til your more exhausted than they.....they know the longer it goes on the better they like it
do you honestly think that RT are miraculously gonna suddenly say 'oh yeah you're right ...we'll pack up right now'?
fudging round with AHDB is all very well but they sound nice guys and RT'll pee up their backs all day long IMO
where was the harm in asking the CFA to investigate AIC over the fact imports don't need assurance but domestic does?...if CMA comes back exonerating AIC then you've lost nowt?...you've given AIC time to try and smokescreen any wrong doing (if there is any)
TBH i think you've lost...you can't play by 'queensbury rules' agin a 'cage fighting' RT....they have no honour and don't care IMO
i'm out
If NFU had any teeth we wouldn't need to waste our time, they ought to be sorting it.
We might not get what we want. We can only try our best, and I think everyone is trying their hardest.
Time permitting, I think it's far from over yet.
Trust me, I think there's a good chance RT are going to get hurt financially imho over the coming months. Everything done will slowly chip away at their stranglehold.
I'd love to have reported that AIC had agreed and changed their mind. Of course they didn't, but equally they gave no good reason for not agreeing with us.
There's a lot more that can be done, but each step requires an even greater amount of effort from farmers ho have got full time incomes to earn.
It won't happen overnight, but there are several avenues to explore that could pile pressure on AIC and RT.
I think if possible we want nothing to do with RT. They've shown their colours over past 20 years, so I wouldn't trust them to change their spots without ongoing mission creep.
I think you've written letters for us @spin cycle Thanks, it will have helped.
Worrying thing is, arable is supposed to be the easiest thing to get change with. Livestock a bigger mountain to climb.
Trying our best.
farmerm
Member
- Location
- Shropshire
We don't really need RT to choose to pack up. What we need is the processors and retails to recognise that insisting on a different set of standards for imported product over domestic product is anti-competitive and illegal. If self-certification on arrival is good enough for their imported materials then the same acceptance of self certification must be acceptable for domestic produce. RT can carry on for those few in the food chain who wish to produce, process and retail 100% RT produce if they wish.you lot have learnt nothing and are no further forward than a month ago
RT and NFU are masters of bluff/bluster....they'll argue til your more exhausted than they.....they know the longer it goes on the better they like it
do you honestly think that RT are miraculously gonna suddenly say 'oh yeah you're right ...we'll pack up right now'?
fudging round with AHDB is all very well but they sound nice guys and RT'll pee up their backs all day long IMO
where was the harm in asking the CFA to investigate AIC over the fact imports don't need assurance but domestic does?...if CMA comes back exonerating AIC then you've lost nowt?...you've given AIC time to try and smokescreen any wrong doing (if there is any)
TBH i think you've lost...you can't play by 'queensbury rules' agin a 'cage fighting' RT....they have no honour and don't care IMO
i'm out
- Location
- South Molton
The milk can be not the meat.
- Location
- South Molton
I said the milk was NOT the meat.non assured cattle can be RT in 8 weeks and as you say perfectly acceptable
WLA is the only way IMHO that meat should be RT
- Location
- Essex
Pityyou lot have learnt nothing and are no further forward than a month ago
RT and NFU are masters of bluff/bluster....they'll argue til your more exhausted than they.....they know the longer it goes on the better they like it
do you honestly think that RT are miraculously gonna suddenly say 'oh yeah you're right ...we'll pack up right now'?
fudging round with AHDB is all very well but they sound nice guys and RT'll pee up their backs all day long IMO
where was the harm in asking the CFA to investigate AIC over the fact imports don't need assurance but domestic does?...if CMA comes back exonerating AIC then you've lost nowt?...you've given AIC time to try and smokescreen any wrong doing (if there is any)
TBH i think you've lost...you can't play by 'queensbury rules' agin a 'cage fighting' RT....they have no honour and don't care IMO
i'm out
- Location
- South Lincolnshire
So, the answers to questions in the webinar, quoted above as "Discussed on the day"... (from my memory!)
Q. Financial benefits to a cereal/beet farmer? A. Avoided direct answer...much waffle...access to markets (usual stuff!)
Q. 8 week/90 day livestock standard? A. Aware of anomaly/criticism. Will be working towards WLA.
Q. RT carrying our Govt agency role? A. Saves farmers extra inspections.
Q. What happens to funding surplus? A. Used to market/promote RT assured products.
Q. Financial benefits to a cereal/beet farmer? A. Avoided direct answer...much waffle...access to markets (usual stuff!)
Q. 8 week/90 day livestock standard? A. Aware of anomaly/criticism. Will be working towards WLA.
Q. RT carrying our Govt agency role? A. Saves farmers extra inspections.
Q. What happens to funding surplus? A. Used to market/promote RT assured products.