Spring linseed advice please.

ollie989898 · Mar 6, 2021

I've seen it grown well but on lighter soils that free drain in Dorset. Done right, the crop never looks back. On heavy land I think I'd just put spring beans in instead.

Just remembered there is no reglone any longer to crisp it up. If you were serious about the crop I guess borrowing for a stripper header would be the solution.

teslacoils · Mar 6, 2021

David. said:
That's more like the practical stuff I was hoping for, thanks Brisel.
I'm sure I have read on here that when the pods rattle well it will go, green or not?
Trouble is I still remember the 30yr old horror stories about combining it once, then again to thrash the straw a fortnight (or three months) later..

I've cut the boils off, tipped them on a drying floor, blown them all winter, then fed them back through the combine in spring to get a good sample and the ground cleared. Worked fine.

Anyway plenty of advice . If you're buying new seed then it will be dear but don't cut back on rates. And don't be tempted to try the golden linseed.

ZXR17 · Mar 6, 2021

What seed rate is recommended now .

mikep · Mar 8, 2021

Never forget that if you are confused and accidentally use 1.2l ha 750 mcpa thinking it was wheat it won't kill the linseed.

David. · Mar 8, 2021

Then I wish that I had been confused 10yrs ago, a fat-hen plague was the worst thing about it.

Brisel · Mar 8, 2021

mikep said:
Never forget that if you are confused and accidentally use 1.2l ha 750 mcpa thinking it was wheat it won't kill the linseed.

There was talk of trying to get an EAMU for MCPA in linseed but I don't think it came to anything. Given the current poor armoury and the loss of Chekker's linseed approval and Maya (bromoxynil), MCPA would have been useful.

They see me rolling · Mar 9, 2021

Brisel said:
There was talk of trying to get an EAMU for MCPA in linseed but I don't think it came to anything. Given the current poor armoury and the loss of Chekker's linseed approval and Maya (bromoxynil), MCPA would have been useful.

Sadly there is no possibility of getting MCPA on Linseed. It is approved on Flax in France, because they don't need any residue data as flax doesn't go into the food chain. MCPA residue data is only for cereals, which means we cannot get an EAMU. Same problem for Chekker.

EAMUs need the same amount of data (residue and environmental studies) for minor crops as on-label approvals do for a main crop. This means in Linseed we can only get EAMUs on products that are already approved on oilseed crops, such as OSR, or have EU oilseed data. This is why the armory is so small, getting EAMUs is increasingly difficult, especially when you can only chose from OSR herbicides (Arylex kills linseed). There are some spring trials that will be carried out, to try and help rectify Maya going. Hopefully this will add to the list, but have to wait and see on crop safety.

EddieB · Mar 9, 2021

I grew linseed last year, first time in a long time. DD, early April into warm soil, N in the seed bed, higher seed rate than was suggested. It grew well, yielded well, cut well, but threshing it wasn’t very successful. It was a yellow linseed, perhaps that was the problem, although I suspect we could have cut it a week earlier.

teslacoils · Mar 9, 2021

EddieB said:
It was a yellow linseed, perhaps that was the problem.

That was the problem.

down n'dirty · Mar 9, 2021

Hi David, Have been groeing spring linseed for anumber of years with varying degrees of sucess. Last year was one of the better ones with spring linseed outyieldind Winter Linseed. Gross margin was as follows:- Seed @ 66.5Kg/ha (Empress) £114.43/ha
Fert. inc. poultry muck £122.69/ha
Sprays £ 49.47/ha
Yield (Sold weight) 3.02t/ha @£360 £1087.20/ha Gross margin =£800.61/ha Total field work costs £253.41. Net Margin £547.20

Also had the dubious privelage of using the straw for cattle bedding-not a great job rolling out round bales but saved a fortune in wheat straw!

Hammer · Mar 9, 2021

down n'dirty said:
Hi David, Have been groeing spring linseed for anumber of years with varying degrees of sucess. Last year was one of the better ones with spring linseed outyieldind Winter Linseed. Gross margin was as follows:- Seed @ 66.5Kg/ha (Empress) £114.43/ha
Fert. inc. poultry muck £122.69/ha
Sprays £ 49.47/ha
Yield (Sold weight) 3.02t/ha @£360 £1087.20/ha Gross margin =£800.61/ha Total field work costs £253.41. Net Margin £547.20

Also had the dubious privelage of using the straw for cattle bedding-not a great job rolling out round bales but saved a fortune in wheat straw!

3 t/ha is amazing! impressive

Flat 10 · Mar 9, 2021

We grew it quite well until we began to suffer from flax flea beetle

CPF · Mar 9, 2021

Got a little bit of experience cutting linseed. !
The reason why it will not thrash out of the pod is because the concave is not tight-enough you need to get the spanners out and tighten it up and also send it around returns so the drum is 100% full
Also Linseed does not like compaction
it likes fine seed bed we start drilling around about the 10th of April I like to get in the ground when it's warm so it's up and away.
(Pm me if like )

Flat 10 · Mar 10, 2021

They see me rolling said:
Sadly there is no possibility of getting MCPA on Linseed. It is approved on Flax in France, because they don't need any residue data as flax doesn't go into the food chain. MCPA residue data is only for cereals, which means we cannot get an EAMU. Same problem for Chekker.

EAMUs need the same amount of data (residue and environmental studies) for minor crops as on-label approvals do for a main crop. This means in Linseed we can only get EAMUs on products that are already approved on oilseed crops, such as OSR, or have EU oilseed data. This is why the armory is so small, getting EAMUs is increasingly difficult, especially when you can only chose from OSR herbicides (Arylex kills linseed). There are some spring trials that will be carried out, to try and help rectify Maya going. Hopefully this will add to the list, but have to wait and see on crop safety.

Was the work never done? Because it was on label once MCPA that is. And i thought Chekkar was on label too?

Brisel · Mar 10, 2021

Labels (MAPP numbers) change regularly, even if the product does not, unfortunately.

Flat 10 · Mar 10, 2021

Brisel said:
Labels (MAPP numbers) change regularly, even if the product does not, unfortunately.

I know. But my point is that if it was on label surely residue work was done?

CPF · Mar 10, 2021

TVR
did a photo shoot in my linseed few years go.
I like the colour of it that much I bought the car .
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Flat 10 · Mar 10, 2021

CPF said:
TVR
did a photo shoot in my linseed few years go.
I like the colour of it that much I bought the car .
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From the profits of the linseed?!

Adeptandy · Mar 10, 2021

Flat 10 said:
I know. But my point is that if it was on label surely residue work was done?

So if you accidentally put some in would anyone know/care ?

CPF · Mar 10, 2021

Flat 10 said:
From the profits of the linseed?!

Of course

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