New tractors will anybody listen

GeorgeK

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Location
Leicestershire
I follow the New Toy Day thread, see many comments like 'This will see me out' or 'Need to get 10 years out of this' but I often wonder if these new hi tech machines will be reliable or cheap to run longer term once the warranties up.
I think a well designed mechanical set up is reliable if looked after, but electronics can stop working for no reason.
 

Happy

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Location
Scotland
Much of it just a sign of getting old I think;)

Not technology related but felt myself being out of touch and of a different generation reading united auctions mart sale report the other day.
Top price was “a pair of absolute weapons of ewes”:scratchhead:

Fair idea what it meant but different language to mine!!
 

Wellytrack

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Much of it just a sign of getting old I think;)

Not technology related but myself being out of touch and a different generation reading united auctions mart sale report the other day.
Top price was “a pair of absolute weapons of ewes”:scratchhead:

Fair idea what it meant but different language to mine!!

Yea. The should have been a pair of absolute clinkers..
 
Everything goes wrong complicated or not its the backup to get the stuff going thats important.As industry goes away getting your hands dirty fixing things isnt high on the list of the youth of today it takes time even with a good aptitude to master these skills.Modern machinery needs both machinical and electronic skills and a bit between the lugs to work it out properly ( and some of the old school just to show them how to use the skills)
 

Finn farmer

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Far far less than old fashioned individual mechanical and electrical gauges and tractormeters/proofmeters.
This is true. Also the whole dash on our old 365 and 390 MF:s went to sh!t. First they stopped showing speed and then melted away, when the tractors spontaneously caught fire at the middle of the night (not same night or year though). Crap design or bad luck, none of our other tractors have caught fire. :scratchhead:
 

daveydiesel1

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Co antrim
This is true. Also the whole dash on our old 365 and 390 MF:s went to sh!t. First they stopped showing speed and then melted away, when the tractors spontaneously caught fire at the middle of the night (not same night or year though). Crap design or bad luck, none of our other tractors have caught fire. :scratchhead:
Mf 300 series woulda caught fire. Ours went on fire twice. And know of few others that did. Think its somethin to do with the wireing loom
 
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Couldn’t be any easier
Think you can still get a gearstick version if your mental tho
 

Cowabunga

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Location
Ceredigion,Wales
I seldom take the computer out in the shite feeding cattle.....


A vote for less complexity here.
I'd certainly have changed a couple of JDs in recent years, but can't abide their arrogant eff you attitude to electronics/dealer only servicing etc.
And before @Cowabunga tells me i'm stupid....
why the eff should some feature I never use -or ask for- IE the mudguard mounted pto cut off buttons- be linked to other electronics, causing the tractor to become unusable when the poop gets in? And then be impossible to bypass/disconnect?
Why should the JD 'never fail' clutch -which they had perfect 20+ years ago, become a pain in the ass, needing dealer visits, because they've decided to make it electro controlled?

again...i would be replacing old tractors with new ones as I used to, but can only see the new ones getting worse.
I'd be a cash buyer for new 6310 type machine today....today! (probably 2)
I bet I'm not the only one!
John Deere have a particular way of doing things that is anti-repair-it-yourself. There is a lot of fuss about it in America. Others actually try and make it quick and easy to repair. However it would be helpful if all fault codes were listed for public use even though conventional diagnosis can usually take the place of a laptop.
It is with the green machine that you will find the most issues in this regard, without a doubt. If you are willing to tolerate it, they will continue. The answer is to vote with your buying choice.
 

Cowabunga

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Location
Ceredigion,Wales
This is true. Also the whole dash on our old 365 and 390 MF:s went to sh!t. First they stopped showing speed and then melted away, when the tractors spontaneously caught fire at the middle of the night (not same night or year though). Crap design or bad luck, none of our other tractors have caught fire. :scratchhead:
I’m afraid they were known for it, particularly the early black frame, red top models which had atrocious wiring.
 

Dukes Fit

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Location
Aberdeenshire
@daveydiesel1 @egbert

Though it pains me to say it I agree with @Cowabunga on this subject.
Electronics are some of the most reliable things we have in modern day use. It is rarely an electronic issue that causes a stoppage despite what mechanics/dealers will say. They just use an all encompassing term to capture anything that carries an electrical signal. There are very few agri technicians/engineers who are electronic engineers.
A wire breaking is not an electronic failure, it's a mechanical failure, when a bolt breaks nobody curses all things mechanical yet if something electrical stops working then it's "modern electronics are all shite" because people don't understand how they work.

I have this argument with my father every week and his rant about "electronic shite" yet 99.9% of all breakdowns we've ever had have been mechanical.

In my old job we had electronics far more complicated than any tractor or combine and they were in extreme environments. Submerged up to 4000m deep in salt water, extremes of temperature change, subjected to constant vibration, heavy impacts, collisions, immersed in oil, sealed in vacuums etc. The vast majority of service/replacement parts we went through were mechanical.

The other thing to note is that as electronic technology becomes more mature, so does the manufacturing process and inevitably components are produced cheaper and quality is less.
That wire that snapped or that PCB that cracked and caused a failure might be 0.5mm thinner than a more expensive one which may not have failed and that is why people view electronics as something to fear.
 

mayos

Member
Location
South
Couldn't be easier he says. Several buttons with random symbols that mean nowt. Effin electric spools (I hate joysticks with a passion) I assume the orange stick controls the transmission? +&- buttons and hare tortoise? Yep obvious. Not.
The "random symbols" are ISO symbols i think and are pretty much universal across all machines. RTFM if you want to know what they mean.
 

Wellytrack

Member
@daveydiesel1 @egbert

Though it pains me to say it I agree with @Cowabunga on this subject.
Electronics are some of the most reliable things we have in modern day use. It is rarely an electronic issue that causes a stoppage despite what mechanics/dealers will say. They just use an all encompassing term to capture anything that carries an electrical signal. There are very few afro technicians/engineers who are electronic engineers.
A wire breaking is not an electronic failure, it's a mechanical failure, when a bolt breaks nobody curses all things mechanical yet if something electrical stops working then it's "modern electronics are all shite" because people don't understand how they work.

I have this argument with my father every week and his rant about "electronic shite" yet 99.9% of all breakdowns we've ever had have been mechanical.

In my old job we had electronics far more complicated than any tractor or combine and they were in extreme environments. Submerged up to 4000m deep in salt water, extremes of temperature change, subjected to constant vibration, heavy impacts, collisions, immersed in oil, sealed in vacuums etc. The vast majority of service/replacement parts we went through were mechanical.

The other thing to note is that as electronic technology becomes more mature, so does the manufacturing process and inevitably components are produced cheaper and quality is less.
That wire that snapped or that PCB that cracked and caused a failure might be 0.5mm thinner than a more expensive one which may not have failed and that is why people view electronics as something to fear.

Afro :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
 

Spud

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Arable Farmer
Location
YO62
Your phones ringing, it’s the 1960’s calling:LOL:

Lol

Joysticks are good for loaders and nowt else ime. Take a fert spreader for example. We used to have an MF7495 that we bought s/h. It had two electric spools on a joystick and one on a manual lever. Plumb the spreader up to the two on the joystick. Try as I might, I couldn't get my brain tuned so that forwards and backwards did the left side of the spreader, and left to right did the right side. ballache disabling the float function on them. Frequently couldn't get both sides to shut off together by pulling the joystick into the corner. I did one loader and took it off the 95, dropped the sprayer off the 7480 with its 4 manual spools, and went happily away. Left lever left side, right lever right side. Slider across to disable float. Pull both levers to close both sides, push both togther to open. Simple, easy and idiot proof. Each spool had a little knob to adjust flow. Never went wrong.

Don't get me onto the fanciful idea of controlling the blue spool with the yellow lever on a Fendt - who thought that was a good idea? Tipper pipe in blue, door in yellow, but controls swapped round. I backs up to the grader with a load of spuds before its operator arrived at work, pulled blue to tip...and the door opens!!! The air was blue.......
 

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