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egbert

Member
Livestock Farmer
what were the 2008 opportunities ? only people who did well out of 2008 ironically were the bankers ?

house / land / property prices didn’t crash - in fact the opposite happened over the following decade

it felt like they were kicking a can down the road but it worked ! they solved the problem by giving everyone a pay cut and let inflation pay for the mess that sub prime caused

seems clear they are going to solve covid economics the same way
I was able to buy property -inc taking out a chunky mortgage- which I wouldn't have been able to afford before, or since.
 

GeorgeK

Member
Location
Leicestershire
Cheap and easy debt eventually harms productivity by creating 'zombie companies' that aren't profitable but are kept alive with grants and loans. Too many drag the whole economy down and some argue it's a good thing to have a shock once in a while to clear out the trash rather than trying to support every business. Sooner or later there will need to be a bit of pain if we are to avoid stagnation.
In some ways farming has been a microcosm of this with subsidy keeping badly run, unprofitable businesses going year after year at the expense of the industry as a whole.
 

Highland Mule

Member
Livestock Farmer
what were the 2008 opportunities ? only people who did well out of 2008 ironically were the bankers ?

house / land / property prices didn’t crash - in fact the opposite happened over the following decade

it felt like they were kicking a can down the road but it worked ! they solved the problem by giving everyone a pay cut and let inflation pay for the mess that sub prime caused

seems clear they are going to solve covid economics the same way

 

Clive

Staff Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lichfield
Does Help to Buy cost the Gov anything? At worst they own a share in the property, it isn’t free money!

it actually is free money

at the expense of savers and the value of everyone’s salary

debt will never be repaid, government have no intention of doing so, it’s just numbers


The (asset) rich are going to get richer out of this as they have ability to borrow to buy more assets that are inflating in value faster than the cost of the money

if i was a saver i would be spending savings on physical assets, land, propery, classic cars, art, gold ....... whatever .... anything but cash / bonds or shares etc
 

Clive

Staff Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lichfield
15% drop overnight isn’t that small a blip, is it?

irrelevant unless you had to sell the next morning!

the trend is property today is worth significantly more than it was in 2008

had you borrowed and bought at any point on that graph you would be richer today

had you saved cash over the same period you would be worse off
 
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db9go

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Buckinghamshire
If people new what the government get out of new house building on sites of more than 8 you will under stand why they are pushing it very hard
The larger sites that is were the new roads are being paid for
 

Steevo

Member
Location
Gloucestershire
If people new what the government get out of new house building on sites of more than 8 you will under stand why they are pushing it very hard
The larger sites that is were the new roads are being paid for

Plus planning permission fees, extra council tax, business rates from the commercial space being built in the name of "sustainable communities" etc.

Councils may be getting less funding from government, but they're finding ways of replacing that by developing the land in their patch.

I can't work out how they suggest we are building less houses now than previously.....all I seem to see everywhere is housing developments springing up.
 

db9go

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Buckinghamshire
Plus planning permission fees, extra council tax, business rates from the commercial space being built in the name of "sustainable communities" etc.

Councils may be getting less funding from government, but they're finding ways of replacing that by developing the land in their patch.

I can't work out how they suggest we are building less houses now than previously.....all I seem to see everywhere is housing developments springing up.
Section 106, and CIL payments, capital gains tax,
 

mountfarm

Member
Had a quote from hsbc and this business could borrow £1.3 million from 1 to 25 years. Annual interest repayment would be £1,375 per month.
We are thinking of upgrading infrastructure so it would be used for a variety of things such as buildings etc but we do not need to list what it’s used for against the loan. The loan would be secured against existing assets. Is that a good rate? As we’ve only made one enquiry so far.
 

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