Ukraine

Exfarmer

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Bury St Edmunds
The EU did buy one side of the Ukraine politics.

Let's not forget these are the actions of a group of Bureacrats created to solve conflict in Europe, similarly with actions against the UK.

Of course a lot of people think the complete opposite, the EU is populated with corruption and geopolitical bullying.

Have a nice day.
At least Donald Trump has the cognative capacity to understand a lie.

Donald Trump spent $2.3 Trillion on the USA military as cosying up to Putin ? .. Biden has spent $1 Trillion on Covid & Left wing activism so far and has scheduled another $3 Trillion on "Climate Rubbish".

Spin that Lefty.

So let us get this straight.
The EU is a corrupt bullying tyrant squashing all before it, in its path.
Meanwhile the USA has been lead, for the last 4 years by a smiling benign democrat who has spread his largesse across the world, bringing peace and harmony everywhere he went. ;)
Meanwhile in the UK, we are fortunate in that our taxes are looked after by the most honest men, since Jesus Christ walked the earth
 

arcobob

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Norfolk
So let us get this straight.
The EU is a corrupt bullying tyrant squashing all before it, in its path.
Meanwhile the USA has been lead, for the last 4 years by a smiling benign democrat who has spread his largesse across the world, bringing peace and harmony everywhere he went. ;)
Meanwhile in the UK, we are fortunate in that our taxes are looked after by the most honest men, since Jesus Christ walked the earth
Was he really a politician or is that a bit more fake news ? :ROFLMAO:
 

Widgetone

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Trade
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Westish Suffolk
Don't be so silly and jingoistic. No western country is going to use Nuclear weapons. Not Trump or anyone else.
Meanwhile the UK is to add to its nuclear warhead capability ffs. Would have thought we could better spend the money on military headcount, or aircraft carriers actually with some airplanes.
Or better still maybe even an extra hospital or more - but that's another budget I imagine..
 

Pasty

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Devon
Meanwhile the UK is to add to its nuclear warhead capability ffs. Would have thought we could better spend the money on military headcount, or aircraft carriers actually with some airplanes.
Or better still maybe even an extra hospital or more - but that's another budget I imagine..
That's a decades old argument. Mutually assured destruction has proven to be the most effective way to avoid nuclear war. Common sense really. If any state knows they are going to be bombed out of existence as soon as they launch a missile, that may think twice.
 

Widgetone

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Trade
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Westish Suffolk
That's a decades old argument. Mutually assured destruction has proven to be the most effective way to avoid nuclear war. Common sense really. If any state knows they are going to be bombed out of existence as soon as they launch a missile, that may think twice.
I accept that - but why does the UK ( or anyone else ) need more?
Unless you are upgrading and get to, say Brussels ;) , 15 seconds quicker and take the waffle eaters out by surprise!
 
Meanwhile the UK is to add to its nuclear warhead capability ffs. Would have thought we could better spend the money on military headcount, or aircraft carriers actually with some airplanes.
Or better still maybe even an extra hospital or more - but that's another budget I imagine..
The increase in the total numbers was always going to be a headline grabber but it's not necessarily as simple as that. At least part of the reason for increasing the cap is to make sure we maintain the same number of usable warheads over the next decade while they go through a process of decomissioning and replacing older warheads.
 

Muck Spreader

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Livestock Farmer
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Limousin
I accept that - but why does the UK ( or anyone else ) need more?
Unless you are upgrading and get to, say Brussels ;) , 15 seconds quicker and take the waffle eaters out by surprise!

Got to buy something big from the US if the UK wants a good trade deal. Although I think Trident is only leased from the US. I presume the F35 will be purchased, even though the US military looks like they will now be cancelling many of their orders for this expensive poor performing plane.
 
Got to buy something big from the US if the UK wants a good trade deal. Although I think Trident is only leased from the US. I presume the F35 will be purchased, even though the US military looks like they will now be cancelling many of their orders for this expensive poor performing plane.
They are British warheads. There has been no announcement of a larger number of the missiles themselves which are indeed leased from the US.
As for the F-35.... Expensive? Yes, cripplingly so, both to purchase and maintain. Poor performing? No. Many media outlets latched on to its poor performance as a dogfighter but it was never designed for that. It's designed to deliver stand-off weapons before the enemy even knows it's there.
 
So let us get this straight.
The EU is a corrupt bullying tyrant squashing all before it, in its path.
Meanwhile the USA has been lead, for the last 4 years by a smiling benign democrat who has spread his largesse across the world, bringing peace and harmony everywhere he went. ;)
Meanwhile in the UK, we are fortunate in that our taxes are looked after by the most honest men, since Jesus Christ walked the earth


Trump is a Republican .. you do read don't you ?

Trump didn't preach "Peace and harmony" .. he enforced peace and harmony by ensuring the military were well equipped.

Compare and contrast to where Biden spent tax payers $$$.
 

Muck Spreader

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Livestock Farmer
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Limousin
They are British warheads. There has been no announcement of a larger number of the missiles themselves which are indeed leased from the US.
As for the F-35.... Expensive? Yes, cripplingly so, both to purchase and maintain. Poor performing? No. Many media outlets latched on to its poor performance as a dogfighter but it was never designed for that. It's designed to deliver stand-off weapons before the enemy even knows it's there.

Depends on how you define British? Constructed in the UK from US supplied components by a US company.

The F35 was designed as a multi-role fighter with a ground attack and air combat capability and as such with the exception of stealth is unsurprisingly compromised in both areas. To be honest, it must now be one of the last generation of piloted combat aircraft, which could be one of the reasons why the US military have cut orders for it.
 
Depends on how you define British? Constructed in the UK from US supplied components by a US company.

The F35 was designed as a multi-role fighter with a ground attack and air combat capability and as such with the exception of stealth is unsurprisingly compromised in both areas. To be honest, it must now be one of the last generation of piloted combat aircraft, which could be one of the reasons why the US military have cut orders for it.

I take your point but what I meant was that the warheads are supposedly designed and built in the UK and not leased together with the missiles.

The F-35 is indeed compromised, in no small part due to being asked to do too many things, while having land and carrier capable versions. I don't believe it was ever intended to replace the F-22 Raptor in the air superiority fighter role but from what I've read it performs reasonably well in air-to-air combat due to its improved radar range and stealth. Admittedly it was envisaged that it would replace the A-10 Warthog in the ground attack role which I doubt will happen. Nevertheless, it remains the best (and perhaps only?) option to equip the QE class carriers. It's also relatively early in its lifecycle. I think once the newer British weapons are integrated with the Block 4 software release it will be a serious piece of kit.
 

nivilla1982

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Livestock Farmer
I take your point but what I meant was that the warheads are supposedly designed and built in the UK and not leased together with the missiles.

The F-35 is indeed compromised, in no small part due to being asked to do too many things, while having land and carrier capable versions. I don't believe it was ever intended to replace the F-22 Raptor in the air superiority fighter role but from what I've read it performs reasonably well in air-to-air combat due to its improved radar range and stealth. Admittedly it was envisaged that it would replace the A-10 Warthog in the ground attack role which I doubt will happen. Nevertheless, it remains the best (and perhaps only?) option to equip the QE class carriers. It's also relatively early in its lifecycle. I think once the newer British weapons are integrated with the Block 4 software release it will be a serious piece of kit.
Is the A-10 still in service?
 

le bon paysan

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Limousin, France
As far as I'm aware, yes. The US are not satisfied that the F-35 can replace the A-10 in the role. Certainly the F-35 can and has dropped precision ordnance, but I don't think it can match the sheer bomb load or the legendary 30mm cannon of the A-10.
It can't replace the A10. The ultimate troop support, ground attack, tank killing aircraft.
 

Muck Spreader

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Limousin
I take your point but what I meant was that the warheads are supposedly designed and built in the UK and not leased together with the missiles.

The F-35 is indeed compromised, in no small part due to being asked to do too many things, while having land and carrier capable versions. I don't believe it was ever intended to replace the F-22 Raptor in the air superiority fighter role but from what I've read it performs reasonably well in air-to-air combat due to its improved radar range and stealth. Admittedly it was envisaged that it would replace the A-10 Warthog in the ground attack role which I doubt will happen. Nevertheless, it remains the best (and perhaps only?) option to equip the QE class carriers. It's also relatively early in its lifecycle. I think once the newer British weapons are integrated with the Block 4 software release it will be a serious piece of kit.

I agree that the F35 is the only option for the UK carriers (particularly as they were built around its deployment) with the possible exception of the aging Dassault Rafale or Super Hornet. But whether the RN ever gets anything like the full compliment is another matter.
 

Hindsight

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Lincolnshire
I agree that the F35 is the only option for the UK carriers (particularly as they were built around its deployment) with the possible exception of the aging Dassault Rafale or Super Hornet. But whether the RN ever gets anything like the full compliment is another matter.

Do we know how many Admirals are allocated to each carrier? Is there a full complement? Surely that is the most important thing to know.
 
I agree that the F35 is the only option for the UK carriers (particularly as they were built around its deployment) with the possible exception of the aging Dassault Rafale or Super Hornet. But whether the RN ever gets anything like the full compliment is another matter.
The stated 138 airframes was always a fantasy IMHO. It's now being said that 60-80 is the ambition and I think that's likely to be achieved. That's certainly enough to fill one carrier and let the other work as a helicopter carrier with maybe a handful of F-35 for self defence. If that's the case, then the Royal Navy have done not too badly out of the programme. That being said, the RAF lost their entire fleet of Tornados on the understanding that F-35 was coming so interservice squabbling over who gets the aircraft is likely to be a bigger issue.
 

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