Chauvin hung out to dry?

manhill

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10 stone cop holding 6'6 man mountain down.
strange that some things weren't brought up in the trial or did I miss them?:
How did Floyd only suffer claustrophobia in police car s but was ok in his own car?
How could be suddenly develop breathing problems in the police car, was that his claustrophobia?
When should the cops have started to take his breathing complaints seriously?
How often do cops have to listen to similar cries from arrestees?
I hadn't noticed before but I think Floyd was a black American, is that right? Not that that should count anyway as criminals come in all colours.
 
Wasn't he handcuffed already? All they had to do was sit on his legs to stop them flailing about. Surely they must have some sort of ankle restraints at their disposal?

I do wonder though, why do people resist arrest? It never ends well.
 
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kiwi pom

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canterbury NZ
10 stone cop holding 6'6 man mountain down.
strange that some things weren't brought up in the trial or did I miss them?:
How did Floyd only suffer claustrophobia in police car s but was ok in his own car?
How could be suddenly develop breathing problems in the police car, was that his claustrophobia?
When should the cops have started to take his breathing complaints seriously?
How often do cops have to listen to similar cries from arrestees?
I hadn't noticed before but I think Floyd was a black American, is that right? Not that that should count anyway as criminals come in all colours.

Floyd was a bad one, no doubt and it was a dangerous situation but Chauvin went too far. No need for him to kneel on his neck like that. I think the Jury got it right.
It's crazy how many people including Biden have come out on Floyds side before the verdict was even reached.
Police face threats every day, most of the encounters don't make it to mainstream media and those that do, I usually side with the police.
But not this one.
 
It's crazy how many people including Biden have come out on Floyds side before the verdict was even reached.

Which would constitute a mis-trial?

The jury (and the media) would have been well aware of the potential consequences of a NG verdict.

Floyd resisted arrest, like only someone full of drugs could. He managed to escape from the police car while handcuffed?!!?

At that point he should have been tasered.

IMHO the drugs, heart disease, vehicle exhaust all provide reasonable doubt for a murder conviction.

I'm sure there are problems within policing (as there are in every country), but who would ever choose to be a cop in urban America?
 

BrianV

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Mixed Farmer
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Dartmoor
A white cop with no previous criminal convictions leaves his knee on a black mans neck for far too long & the crims family receive £25million compensation, a black criminal executes a white cop & the cops family receive hardly bugger all, they are right that the US is a racist country where it seems "White lives don't matter" nearly as much!
How the hell do they justify the £25m, you can bet the family will want police protection from fellow blacks wanting a slice of the loot!
 

Agrispeed

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Cornwall
I think it's difficult to argue it was necessary to carry on kneeling on his neck for more than 2 minutes after he was non-responsive. That makes it look an awful lot like intent to me.
 

lloyd

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Location
Herefordshire
Chauvin apparently had 18 complaints
filed against him .
Should he ever had been a serving officer on that day?
All over a packet of fags, he went too far the video clearly
shows this.You want to find a reason but the jury were right
on this occasion there was no need for his excessive force.
 

Wellytrack

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American police have a problem with a lack of training and overzealousness.

Some states police training is ridiculously low.

Louisiana police training is 360 hours.

Michigan 594 hours.

Florida 770 hours.

North Carolina 620 hours.

Interestingly the below is from the trial,

Minneapolis police are taught to restrain combative suspects with a knee on their back or shoulders if necessary but are told to “stay away from the neck when possible,” a department use-of-force instructor testified Tuesday at former Officer Derek Chauvin's murder trial.

Chauvin received 40 hours of ‘crisis’ training.


Was this Police Response below correct?


 

kiwi pom

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Location
canterbury NZ
A white cop with no previous criminal convictions leaves his knee on a black mans neck for far too long & the crims family receive £25million compensation, a black criminal executes a white cop & the cops family receive hardly bugger all, they are right that the US is a racist country where it seems "White lives don't matter" nearly as much!
How the hell do they justify the £25m, you can bet the family will want police protection from fellow blacks wanting a slice of the loot!

Yes it ridiculous that this case gets so much attention but other far worse crimes get barely a mention in the media. Like the killing of Police officer Darian Jarrot on the side of the road in New Mexico recently.
On the other side there's the murder (no other word for it) of Daniel Shaver by police a few years ago, those officers weren't even punished but of course Daniel was white so it doesn't matter. Look up the cases but don't watch the body cam videos.

None of this changes the fact that Chauvin kneeled on Floyds neck for too long when he didn't need to.
 

Wellytrack

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K

Strangely,that video reduced me to tears that an obviously frail 73 year old woman could be treated in such a way. Imagine if it had been your wife, mother ,sister anyone would be enraged.

Exactly. If it had been my mother I wouldn't rest til I broke his bones in return.

But it raises a point, the officer was saying 'Why are you doing this mam?' 'Why are you resisting arrest mam' 'Why are you trying to slip the cuffs?' As if to justify his actions.

We have video these days to see for ourselves.
It's hardly a stretch to assume they got away with much worse prior to that.
 

BrianV

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Dartmoor
Exactly. If it had been my mother I wouldn't rest til I broke his bones in return.

But it raises a point, the officer was saying 'Why are you doing this mam?' 'Why are you resisting arrest mam' 'Why are you trying to slip the cuffs?' As if to justify his actions.

We have video these days to see for ourselves.
It's hardly a stretch to assume they got away with much worse prior to that.
Seems to me the majority of these cases occur when mainly coloureds resist arrest or try to be as disruptive as possible, if you're a cop with guns readily available saying "please don't do that " gets very little response. You can bet going forward every villain will try it on in the hope of getting a cop in trouble, who the hell would want to be a US cop these days!
 

Wellytrack

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Seems to me the majority of these cases occur when mainly coloureds resist arrest or try to be as disruptive as possible, if you're a cop with guns readily available saying "please don't do that " gets very little response. You can bet going forward every villain will try it on in the hope of getting a cop in trouble, who the hell would want to be a US cop these days!

So you watched the above video and came to the conclusion that it’s the ‘Coloureds’ will reset arrest and be disruptive?
 

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