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stewart

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Horticulture
Location
Bay of Plenty NZ
That brings us back to my point that with the deeds held.....how much risk are they really taking.
Slightly off tangent but the banking sector in this country has shown itself to be one of the most corrupt and immoral in the world, why else would every dodgy oligarch and African dictator do business and chose to live here, sadly it also generates a lot of revenue for the exchequer so a blind eye will always be taken.
With the deeds held and a reasonable deposit paid very little risk. I still have a bank account in the UK which I use occasionally, it always amazes me how the UK sees itself as a leading financial country and yet the banking sector is cumbersome and archaic.
 

stewart

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Horticulture
Location
Bay of Plenty NZ
Definitely but I suspect that unless you are borrowing enough to have your own specialised bank manager, the local branch manager will merely put your requests into a computer program which will give your answer, he will have very limited power to make a decision himself.
Depends on the banking system you are operating under, our local manager had a limit of $15m anything over that has to go higher up the food chain which can take a couple of days.
 

glasshouse

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Location
lothians
There is not a problem in the self employed getting mortgages. Income can be assessed from net profit or submitted taxable income. But I see lots of people declaring an income of 15000 and wanting a mortgage of £150000. Actually 15k is below minimum wage for a full time employee, so dont be surprised that the bank only offers a mortgage of £50000 for example. Don't blame the banks for this . It's not that the self employed cant get mortgages but they have to declare sufficient income to support it and pay the tax on it. The banks behave more responsibly now than they did before 2007.
So you declare a big income them get pumped for tax
Before 07 you just declared your large income
And cracked on with a self cert
 

stewart

Member
Horticulture
Location
Bay of Plenty NZ
So you declare a big income them get pumped for tax
Before 07 you just declared your large income
And cracked on with a self cert
If you are under declaring your income to the IRD you are evading tax, if you are over declaring to your lender you are committing fraud, both are wrong and I would say illegal.
 
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kiwi pom

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Location
canterbury NZ
There is not a problem in the self employed getting mortgages. Income can be assessed from net profit or submitted taxable income. But I see lots of people declaring an income of 15000 and wanting a mortgage of £150000. Actually 15k is below minimum wage for a full time employee, so dont be surprised that the bank only offers a mortgage of £50000 for example. Don't blame the banks for this . It's not that the self employed cant get mortgages but they have to declare sufficient income to support it and pay the tax on it. The banks behave more responsibly now than they did before 2007.

Yep work the books to show you made no profit to avoid tax then wonder why you can't get a mortgage.
Not so bad if you have a decent business and can put money away to increase your deposit but these people doing labour only at low rates, self employed aren't doing themselves any favours.
 

Donkey Oaty

Member
Location
Aberdeenshire
So you declare a big income them get pumped for tax
Before 07 you just declared your large income
And cracked on with a self cert
Which was often lies or fraud if you like. Self-cert was one of the causes of property price inflation which led to the 2007 crash as was Northern Rock lending 125% of valuation. As a humble mortgage broker, I could see it at the time. But the FSA as it was then turned a blind eye. Only interested in collecting fees. Now the same people work in the current regulator, the FCA.
 

glasshouse

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Location
lothians
Which was often lies or fraud if you like. Self-cert was one of the causes of property price inflation which led to the 2007 crash as was Northern Rock lending 125% of valuation. As a humble mortgage broker, I could see it at the time. But the FSA as it was then turned a blind eye. Only interested in collecting fees. Now the same people work in the current regulator, the FCA.
And they are a joke
 

stewart

Member
Horticulture
Location
Bay of Plenty NZ
Which was often lies or fraud if you like. Self-cert was one of the causes of property price inflation which led to the 2007 crash as was Northern Rock lending 125% of valuation. As a humble mortgage broker, I could see it at the time. But the FSA as it was then turned a blind eye. Only interested in collecting fees. Now the same people work in the current regulator, the FCA.
 

Pennine Ploughing

Member
Mixed Farmer
So you declare a big income them get pumped for tax
Before 07 you just declared your large income
And cracked on with a self cert
Paying tax is a good thing, because if your not paying tax, you're making f**k all,
Tax man takes 25% ish the dealer for new tackle takes 100 % of it, only buy what you need to run the business, not buy to save tax
 

teslacoils

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire
I think you may find the IRD would have cared.

Only slightly. Our economy is built on one thing and that's above inflation house price rises. Anything that gets in the way of this is taboo. So while the regulators don't want to see overt cheating, they know confidence depends on continuous house price rises to fuel the consumer spending. There's nothing else underlying the economy. It really is a little like bitcoin. You simply reply on a rising value of something in "limited" supply that everyone wants.
 

holwellcourtfarm

Member
Livestock Farmer
Only slightly. Our economy is built on one thing and that's above inflation house price rises. Anything that gets in the way of this is taboo. So while the regulators don't want to see overt cheating, they know confidence depends on continuous house price rises to fuel the consumer spending. There's nothing else underlying the economy. It really is a little like bitcoin. You simply reply on a rising value of something in "limited" supply that everyone wants.
I'd suggest it is built on credit, not house price rises. They are just another symptom.
 

holwellcourtfarm

Member
Livestock Farmer
But the credit has to be underwritten by a tangible asset.......a house or other material asset.

Otherwise we end up in Wonga land.:nailbiting:
Much of the spending driving the economy is unsecured loans and credit cards though.....

I was astonished to hear a few weeks ago that "food service delivery companies" (Just Eat, Deliveroo and Uber Eats) now turn over more money each year than UK agriculture having only appeared in the UK 10 years ago. They don't even do anything of real value, just save you having to exercise when picking up your overwhelmingly unhealthy take-out food!

The modern world truly IS mad.
 

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