It's a Conspiracy

essex man

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colchester
Sadly some of the general public believe these wild conspiracy theories
Once you realise that covid is not a serious threat to life or public health then you wonder why governments have chosen to take the path they have....
This is plenty of scope for wild theories in trying to answer that, people assume governments, if they not trying to solve a public health crisis, must be up to something else.

There's no conspiracy only democracy imo
 
Once you realise that covid is not a serious threat to life or public health then you wonder why governments have chosen to take the path they have....
This is plenty of scope for wild theories in trying to answer that, people assume governments, if they not trying to solve a public health crisis, must be up to something else.

There's no conspiracy only democracy imo
I have read lots of articles online about covid and it's beginning, it's a virus that came from animals is the accepted theory, why would any unleash a weapon if they could not control it ? (
 

arcobob

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Location
Norfolk
Once you realise that covid is not a serious threat to life or public health then you wonder why governments have chosen to take the path they have....
This is plenty of scope for wild theories in trying to answer that, people assume governments, if they not trying to solve a public health crisis, must be up to something else.

There's no conspiracy only democracy imo
Try telling that to an Indian who is fighting for his last breath or some of the long covid sufferers in the UK.
 
Are the world's governments basically bankrupting themselves on purpose, the whole 1st world economies are built on consumerism and tourism, without these there is very little.


Are you sure ? Have you thought this through ?

80% of the output from China are from USA owned companies. China's stock market has significantly out performed all Western economies for decades. China isn't hamstringed by self inflicted regressive policies such as Climate Change & other Liberal/Left wing ideologies.

Banks can move money whereever they want and make money even when currencies & stocks fall.

What is a government in your opinion, do you really think the majority of those people are in control of what happens and make money on what happens ?

Western economies regularly fall .. how long since the last fall ?
 

Lowland1

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Mixed Farmer
Its not a conspiracy but the crisis is being used by all sorts of vested interests to push their own agendas that wouldn't otherwise be politically viable. In favour of identity cards (or stand to make a fortune from government contracts if identity cards are introduced)? What better time to start pushing the idea of 'Vaccine passports'? Against international air travel for 'green' reasons? What better time to try and restrict people's ability to travel by introducing covid related restrictions? Plus of course covid has given the government and the state apparatus significant powers they could not have imagined ever having beforehand. They aren't going to give them up easily.

So no, its not a conspiracy, its more what is termed 'emergent behaviour', when all manner of completely separate and individual choices can create something quite complex without there ever having been the overarching intention to create it. Its often how police states come into being - its not the case that the Big Dictator suddenly says 'I need a police state' and creates one, more that one emerges through a myriad of individual decisions, each one having a specific logical reason behind it, but the cumulative effect of all these individual decisions is to create a police state. That is what we are seeing now - lots of people and government bodies making decisions that make perfect sense within and of themselves, but the overall effect of all those decisions is to create a country that no longer looks or feels anything like it did 15 months ago.
That's a very good summary to which i'd add just when it looks like it's undercontrol India springs up the perfect justification for all that has been done to control it in the developed nations. Plus you start to have all the fear about new variants even though in up to 80% of cases in India it's the Kent variant to blame then we get the added fear that it's affecting the younger population even though the average life expectancy in India is about 15 year's less than the UK and due to lots of the population being unhealthy not like in the UK or U.S. due to too much food but due to lack of food and poor living conditions and lack of access to healthcare. It's not a conspiracy but it seems frightened people don't ask a lot of questions and are easily herded. Herd immunity I don't think so herd mentality definitely. To all those people concerned or upset about the 3000 plus people a day dying of Covid in India i'd ask were you upset about the 4000 children under the age of five who die everyday and will continue to die after all this is over. I bet it never crossed your mind.
 

Ukjay

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Location
Wales!
I am sure they will be overwhelmed with you sympathy especially backed up by your statistical knowledge.

It's about time people stopped trying to oppress / belittle others via peer pressure because their personal views are differing, because lets face it - when all the current shenanigans is over, the ones who are fighting for the moral high ground, will all crawl back under their rocks and will not give a rats arse about anyone else, just like they did previously..
 

Highland Mule

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Livestock Farmer
Actually, given mortality much better last year than in years before flu vaccine handed out.. likely not as bad as flu.

Over the last few decades the flu vaccine uptake has been fairly static - around the mid 70% mark.


And yet the age adjusted mortality rate has continued to fall throughout this period. 2020 reversed a decades long trend of reduction and had the only double digit year on year increase of the last 50 years. This is not just due to the existence or otherwise of the flu vaccine, and Covid is far more of a risk to us all than the flu.

Whilst it is true to say that the mortality rate was higher in the days before we had flu vaccine (and indeed in the days before we had antibiotics, ambulances and anasthaesia), to try and draw any correlation between the two is wrong.
 

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