Single Market / Customs Union - A Tragic Loss

le bon paysan · May 2, 2021

La Marseillaise

Alons child of the motherland.
Alons enfant de la patrie.

The day of glory has come.
Le jour de gloire est arrivé.

Against us from the tyrany.
Contre nous de la tyrannie.

The bloody standard is raised x2
L'étendart sanglant est levé x2

Can you hear in the countryside
Entendez vous dans les campagnes

Blared the wild soldiers
Mugir ces féroces soldats

They come right into your arms,
Ils viennent jusque dans vos bras,

Slay your son, your companions
Egorger vos fils, vos compagnes
To arms, citizens!
Aux armes citoyens!

Train your battalions!
Formez vos bataillons!

Let's walk, yes let's walk,
Marchons, oui marchons,

May an impure blood water our furrows, furrow.
Qu'un sang impur abreuve nos sillons, sillon.

arcobob · May 2, 2021

le bon paysan said:
La Marseillaise

Alons child of the motherland.
Alons enfant de la patrie.

The day of glory has come.
Le jour de gloire est arrivé.

Against us from the tyrany.
Contre nous de la tyrannie.

The bloody standard is raised x2
L'étendart sanglant est levé x2

Can you hear in the countryside
Entendez vous dans les campagnes

Blared the wild soldiers
Mugir ces féroces soldats

They come right into your arms,
Ils viennent jusque dans vos bras,

Slay your son, your companions
Egorger vos fils, vos compagnes
To arms, citizens!
Aux armes citoyens!

Train your battalions!
Formez vos bataillons!

Let's walk, yes let's walk,
Marchons, oui marchons,

May an impure blood water our furrows, furrow.
Qu'un sang impur abreuve nos sillons, sillon.

Not patriotic then? I know it is a revolutionary song and Napoleon didn`t like it but it is interpreted as a patriotic song of the republic.

czechmate · May 2, 2021

arcobob said:
Do you know the words of The Marseillaise or Deutschland Uber Alles? You plastic frogs do post some rubbish at times.

Sorry, I have somehow missed the part where the french have sabotaged their economy in the name of sovereignty

Note to self, work a bit less and pay more attention

czechmate · May 2, 2021

le bon paysan said:
La Marseillaise

Alons child of the motherland.
Alons enfant de la patrie.

The day of glory has come.
Le jour de gloire est arrivé.

Against us from the tyrany.
Contre nous de la tyrannie.

The bloody standard is raised x2
L'étendart sanglant est levé x2

Can you hear in the countryside
Entendez vous dans les campagnes

Blared the wild soldiers
Mugir ces féroces soldats

They come right into your arms,
Ils viennent jusque dans vos bras,

Slay your son, your companions
Egorger vos fils, vos compagnes
To arms, citizens!
Aux armes citoyens!

Train your battalions!
Formez vos bataillons!

Let's walk, yes let's walk,
Marchons, oui marchons,

May an impure blood water our furrows, furrow.
Qu'un sang impur abreuve nos sillons, sillon.

Huh?
I thought it went...

There's nothing you can do that can't be done
Nothing you can sing that can't be sung
Nothing you can say, but you can learn how to play the game
It's easy
Nothing you can make that can't be made
No one you can save that can't be saved
Nothing you can do, but you can learn how to be you in time
It's easy

le bon paysan · May 2, 2021

arcobob said:
Not patriotic then? I know it is a revolutionary song and Napoleon didn`t like it but it is interpreted as a patriotic song of the republic.

La Marseillaise started life as a revolutionary battle song and a hymn to freedom. It gradually gained acceptance as a national anthem. Nowadays it is performed at most official events.

czechmate · May 2, 2021

arcobob said:
Do you know the words of The Marseillaise or Deutschland Uber Alles? You plastic frogs do post some rubbish at times.

Shame to see you stooping to the level of the caveman and boby with name calling. I had more regard for you than that

bobk · May 2, 2021

czechmate said:
Shame to see you stooping to the level of the caveman and boby with name calling. I had more regard for you than that

It's a term of endearment fyi

wanton dwarf · May 2, 2021

Ncap said:
I'll be charitable and give this one more chance. Perhaps you are wearing the wrong spectacles and misread. Who knows?

I have written nothing, nor claimed anything, about buying houses in Belgium etc. It seems totally irrelevant to me in this discussion.

You suggested YOU had experience of all 27 countries. I countered by listing my knowledge and experience of many of those countries and ability in those languages and mentioned as an aside my work for a while (freelance, actually, and based from home in England) working with the European Parliament.

I asked (politely at first) what that ACTUAL experience of yours was of 27 countries in the EU. (Or as you put it, 'lived in their Culture')

Here is the post I wrote about the 27 countries. I never stated I have lived in all 27 - try READING.

wanton dwarf said:
Yeah ... like you spend all your time moving around and living in the 27 different countries ... been there, done that and know enough to say it's a nightmare and would suggest only a fool would consider that a benefit.

The only reason you can live in France is the support of your wife.

QED.

I have lived in a large number. But that is NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS. I have made that clear multiple times. I note you haven't given information .. I'll also state I have lived in multiple countries outside of the EU as well. But that is also NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS.

Ncap said:
That doesn't answer any of the question. I was interested to know details of your extensive experience of 27 EU countries. You didn't answer. Smells a bit fishy to me.
I do have (in my view) pretty extensive experience and have even worked for the European Parliament. And I speak eight European languages (only six of which, formerly seven) are EU languages. And I have spent a very large portion of my life working, living and visiting many of the EU countries - nowhere near as many or as extensive as I would like.
Back to you then...

Ncap said:
Really? Pray share some of your time and experiences in the 27 countries. Especially since your experiences of the 27 (all of them?) would seem to have been so painful

The above statement was your first post in response to my comment to someone else. Which I do note take as being "Polite". I found especially the last sentance extremely rude and disturbing. There is no way I'm going to give YOU any details of my private life, to even ask such is in my opinion sick and twisted.

I really don't care about your "Last chance" - I'm going to set you on ignore becuase all you've done is troll my original post seeking to find some chink in my private life within Europe.

You interjected a post about the ability to live in the 27 countries of the EU. Despite multiple posts which have consistently FAILED to support a counter narrative to my original post.

I pointed out the problems with VAT when you buy a house in Belgium and the fact you don't get the VAT back for over 5 years - which dramatically supports my first post on this subject. Your counter was "I never asked about buying a house in Belgium".

The only effort you made was the word "Culture" and a snide reference to a dictionary. "Culture" is just a word, giving no financial or intellectual benefit on it's own. I'd also point out actually attempting cultural acitivites is far better achieved by using holidays or weekend tips - which have no serious financial consequences - unlike buying a house.

Ncap said:
I totally agree with you. And apologize to you and others for my stubbornness but I just did not want the dwarf to get away with... anyway, whatever.
My answer to you is that I don’t know and accessing any useful info from gov.uk is like getting blood from a stone.
For precisely that reason we are preparing to move to the EU if not by the end of the year then Certainly within 12 months
Good luck wIth getting and answer though

Herein is your character .. unable to even document what I was "Getting away with". That's because you are Trolling.

Go Troll someone else.

arcobob · May 2, 2021

le bon paysan said:
La Marseillaise started life as a revolutionary battle song and a hymn to freedom. It gradually gained acceptance as a national anthem. Nowadays it is performed at most official events.

Isn’t that what I said? Patriotic songs and anthems are found throughout the world so why start sniping at the Brits? Incidentally alons(allons) is a French word meaning let`s go.

czechmate · May 2, 2021

bobk said:
It's a term of endearment fyi

From the cave man

?

Courier · May 2, 2021

BrianV said:
There are no surprises just the fact that these rules are only being implemented one way so there is no incentive for the EU to apply a little common sense

I've never met a bank manager whose superiors would let him take a pragmatic view on his position, just a view which adheres to policy. Really don't see why anyone expects the EU to be so different

arcobob · May 2, 2021

Courier said:
I've never met a bank manager whose superiors would let him take a pragmatic view on his position, just a view which adheres to policy. Really don't see why anyone expects the EU to be so different

A bank manager analogy does nobody any favours.

czechmate · May 2, 2021

arcobob said:
A bank manager analogy does nobody any favours.

Do you know, I’ve had some great bank managers in my time. The best ever was my Lloyd’s agricultural man as I was moving here.
He finished early with a breakdown

arcobob · May 2, 2021

czechmate said:
Do you know, I’ve had some great bank managers in my time. The best ever was my Lloyd’s agricultural man as I was moving here.
He finished early with a breakdown

I think good ones did exist at one time but the personal touch has gone out of banking and now everyone is a statistic with an Experian credit rating, unless of course they have not borrowed money for years and they have no rating. Then they are a bad risk.
Bank managers are now a bit like policemen who are detached from their customers and know nobody. This saves them from litigation and corruption scandals and it is thus a feature of the world we live in. You may know of cases in political circles that are currently under discussion.

stewart · May 2, 2021

arcobob said:
You know full well that hung parliaments are not uncommon in NZ and in around 1996 the country ran for six months with no effective government. That may be Ok for a simple economy with around 4 million people but it would not work for us. In 1997 there was a hung parliament and the balance of power was held by the widely reviled Winston Peters whose party only had 7.5% of the vote. What is there to like?

You are comparing PR with the UK way of running Parliament, take off the blinkers and have a wider view. What you refer to as a hung Parliament is from a PR stand point a coalition. The size of the economy is irrelevant although no doubt you feel superior by making reference to a simple economy, Germany uses MMP with a economy larger than the UK and gets along just fine.
To answer your question, What is there to like? As long as the party you vote for gains 5% of the popular vote then you are represented in Parliament accordingly, what is there not to like?
Compare that to the FPP whereby a small swing of 1.2% results in 56% of the electorate ending up with a government they did not vote for I would ask what is there to like in that Pseudo Democracy?

bobk · May 2, 2021

stewart said:
You are comparing PR with the UK way of running Parliament, take off the blinkers and have a wider view. What you refer to as a hung Parliament is from a PR stand point a coalition. The size of the economy is irrelevant although no doubt you feel superior by making reference to a simple economy, Germany uses MMP with a economy larger than the UK and gets along just fine.
To answer your question, What is there to like? As long as the party you vote for gains 5% of the popular vote then you are represented in Parliament accordingly, what is there not to like?
Compare that to the FPP whereby a small swing of 1.2% results in 56% of the electorate ending up with a government they did not vote for I would ask what is there to like in that Pseudo Democracy?

You're probably right but every country in europe is a coalition ( bar france ) , which = a f**k up .

czechmate · May 2, 2021

bobk said:
You're probably right but every country in europe is a coalition ( bar france ) , which = a fudge up .

I love the American system where you wait for three months before you know the result

bobk · May 2, 2021

czechmate said:
I love the American system where you wait for three months before you know the result

I'm watching the USA , different singer same song .

stewart · May 2, 2021

arcobob said:
I would agree if deliberate obstructionism was not aggravating the situation. Of course the regulation can work in both directions and the net result is more red tape and regulation, more cost and more petty bickering.

The UK is being treated the same as any other third country, which is what you voted for, why do you see this as obstructionism?

stewart · May 2, 2021

bobk said:
You're probably right but every country in europe is a coalition ( bar france ) , which = a fudge up .

Why do you see it as a fu¢k up?

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