Dosing lambs for nematodirus and coccidiosis at the same time??
- Thread starter Andyt880
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- North of Perth
I've been doing it for years.you'll cause more stress getting them back to do it separate.
Thanks for that
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- Dumfries & Galloway
Do them at same time no problems.
If I was a drug company i'd be formulating a combi cocci-white wormer for doing lambs now for cocci and Nemo. It would sell bloody well imo
It just needs a better carrier agent for the diclazuril to stop it curdling if you look at it funny!...
If I was a drug company i'd be formulating a combi cocci-white wormer for doing lambs now for cocci and Nemo. It would sell bloody well imo
It just needs a better carrier agent for the diclazuril to stop it curdling if you look at it funny!...
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- North of Perth
That would certainly make the job easier.
Pistonbroke
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We mixed the two in a bottle and gave it as one dose last year. Yes I know,very naughty but they all stopped sh!tying and nothing died
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- Dumfries & Galloway
We mixed the two in a bottle and gave it as one dose last year. Yes I know,very naughty but they all stopped sh!tying and nothing died
How did you manage that, successfully?
The Vecoxan carrier agent curdles instantly with anything other than water. A mistake I have learned the hardest of ways when I forgot to rinse out an empty dose bottle (which the gun cap fitted) and poured 2.5l of Vecoxan into, writing it off
Pistonbroke
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Can't remember which worm drench it was,now but it was Country Coccidrench ( same active as vecoxan but cheaper ). Gave it a shake now and again but never saw any splitting or curdling anyway
Yes that would make the job a lot easier
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- Dumfries & Galloway
Hmm Vecoxan copies have only just came onto the market in the last 2 or possibly 3 years..
I'm all for mixing (I mix white wormer for Nemo and multi vitamin with no issues), if it works.
I have Dycoxan (Chanelle) and my white wormer here, waiting to do my lambs. I may try mixing a dose worth of each to see what happens - but I fully expect it to split and curdle
Pistonbroke
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Memory is a bit foggy but it could have been a clear ivermectin drench we mixed up
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- N.Lincs
Haven't you heard?? - your favourite firm, Elanco, already do one ...........................
...........................................................................only joking
Like you say, it'd be a good idea if somebody did though.
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- Dumfries & Galloway
Haven't you heard?? - your favourite firm, Elanco, already do one ...........................
................................only joking
Like you say, it'd be a good idea if somebody did though.
Rest assured... those c*nts will never develope a combi drench
- Location
- Dumfries & Galloway
Be very surprised if it was ivermectin. Have you seen what it does if it gets contaminated
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- Montgomeryshire
The problem with mixing products is not just whether it curdles and blocks the gun, but whether it makes either product less effective, having the same effec5 as underdosing.
I’ve little doubt several products would be ok if mixed in a bottle, but you’ll not know if they are or not. You risk wasting both products, or worse, risk accelerating resistance to one or both.
I’ve little doubt several products would be ok if mixed in a bottle, but you’ll not know if they are or not. You risk wasting both products, or worse, risk accelerating resistance to one or both.
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- West Wales
You put it much better than me, I was just going to post the balls of steel picture....
Rather them than me with the mixing, I wouldn’t mix anything but that’s just me
Iirc a mineral dose should be given before a wormer as the mineral dose goes into the stomach and is absorbed by the stomach wall and then goes into the body, if you worm first the wormer lines the stomach wall so the mineral dose cannot be absorbed and gets passed out of the body unused, not sure if this is totally true but I have been told it by a few people who sell mineral doses.
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- Dumfries & Galloway
9/10 it comes down to how the carrier agents react with one another... the sceptic in me thinks drugs companies deliberately use agents which react badly with one another so that our job becomes more laborious and costly which in turn is more lucrative for them (see Elanco's business model as a prime example)
You can buy combi products, so it's not as if it can not be done.
As for the dosing/resistance part, you're right... but, cocci is very different to worms or fluke and I don't believe it can develope drug resistance (if it could it would have long before via the likes of you using feed buckets). As far as I'm aware Nemo isn't resistant or able to be resistant to White wormer - hence the SCOPS guideline of using white wormer only and do the lambs as many times with it as they need.
But your sentiments are correct for other worms/wormers and fluke.
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- Montgomeryshire
Iirc there have been a few cases of white drench resistance in nematodirus, it’s just not widespread (yet).
Given how little those white drenches are/can be used on almost all farms, I don’t suppose there’s much chance of resistance developing with normal use, as it will only normally be used once a year, with later clear/yellow drenches cleaning up any resistant nemo.
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- Dumfries & Galloway
On the subject of dosing... has anyone needed to Nemo dose yet?
My away lambs are looking like needing cocci dose this week (2 - out of 250 lambs - have gone dirty in the last 24hrs), it saves a gather if I can do both at same time, but I expect it to be far too cold for Nemo issues yet (hills around here have snow on them this morning)