How the hell did we ever win the war?

holwellcourtfarm

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As said^ the Americans and Russians won the war, we just had the odd walk on part.
Tell that to my old Grandad and He'd have decked you. He was part of Monty's 8th Army and fought at Tobruk and El Alamein. That was the first land based bloody nose the Wermacht received (albeit, I accept, largely because the Russian Front had opened up and Hitler denied Rommel the reinforcements that he kept asking for). No yanks or Yank kit in sight.
 

Ukjay

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Folks like those muppet socialist snowflakes Alan Turing, Robert Oppenheimer and their ilk? You may not like to hear it but since WW1, wars have been won by the thinkers, not the muscle.

Good luck winning the war if you belive the modern snowflakes will be of similar ilk...
 

unlacedgecko

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Drones - be right up their street
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Ukjay

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Drones - be right up their street

It's where the battles will end up in the future generations I do not doubt it, but you will require infantry and people able to pull that trigger for the next decade at least, and the snowflakes ain't gonna do anything of this kind and you know it.
It takes a certain kind of person to make these calls and face those situations, and the snowflakes will not be that.
 

unlacedgecko

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It's where the battles will end up in the future generations I do not doubt it, but you will require infantry and people able to pull that trigger for the next decade at least, and the snowflakes ain't gonna do anything of this kind and you know it.
It takes a certain kind of person to make these calls and face those situations, and the snowflakes will not be that.
Who did you serve with?
 
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it marvels me how we did it, fom the desparate depths of dunkirk to get so much done in such a short time? just over 5 years, from biplanes to jetplanes, the change in agriculture in that time was also just as mirarkable ? What do others think from todays perspective ? One last question did we actually win the war ? not me i wasnt even born, but my father was a child during the war, and did his national service in germany in the early 1950s, he was always telling us that even then germany was doing far better than the UK ?
Well at least we didn't end up eating rats and dried up black rye bread which a German I used to work for was eating as a young child in the late 1940's.
 

Goweresque

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Tell that to my old Grandad and He'd have decked you. He was part of Monty's 8th Army and fought at Tobruk and El Alamein. That was the first land based bloody nose the Wermacht received (albeit, I accept, largely because the Russian Front had opened up and Hitler denied Rommel the reinforcements that he kept asking for). No yanks or Yank kit in sight.

The UK was receiving many US built tanks by the time of Alamein. The M3 Grant was first used in early 1942, and M4 Shermans arrived in time for El Alamein. Both were far superior in armour and weaponry to the British tanks of the time, and (some things never change) far more reliable.
 

Swarfmonkey

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It's where the battles will end up in the future generations I do not doubt it, but you will require infantry and people able to pull that trigger for the next decade at least, and the snowflakes ain't gonna do anything of this kind and you know it.
It takes a certain kind of person to make these calls and face those situations, and the snowflakes will not be that.

I've been at the sharp end, and the brutal truth is that if you want to take and hold ground then you need to put boots on it and keep them there. That ain't gonna change. The people who are really pushing the idea it can all be done remotely with UCAVs and the like are those that are making money out of building them.
 
The Germans always had a manpower problem which led to the use of slave labour, which negated some of their technical prowess. Uncle Hubert of the Air Ministry had several experiences of it- firstly in 1943 our BD men faced the dreaded Y-fuse, which used mercury tilt switches to render it virtually impossible to defuse, with the aim of killing our Disposal people.. The very first bomb in the first stick landed at Albert Bridge, and his friend Major Hudson took it apart. Only after he got it out did they realise it had been sabotaged by the prisoners who made it, and they were able to rush out a fix once they had taken the fuse to pieces. Had it gone off, it was likely that it would have killed our people one by one without anyone knowing why.
When they arrived in Germany at the end, they went into the Mittelwerk factory where the V2 rockets were built by labourers from Nordhausen concentration camp, and the appaling conditions and sabotage prevented the rockets from meeting their full potential.
 

JCMaloney

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Some teenage kid in his bedroom has just almost paralysed the American fuel network.

"War" in itself will change, those causing the disruption will be taken out either remotely or by a dozen folk dressed in black with a load of tech supporting them.

The days of mass slaughter are long gone.
 

Hilly

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it marvels me how we did it, fom the desparate depths of dunkirk to get so much done in such a short time? just over 5 years, from biplanes to jetplanes, the change in agriculture in that time was also just as mirarkable ? What do others think from todays perspective ? One last question did we actually win the war ? not me i wasnt even born, but my father was a child during the war, and did his national service in germany in the early 1950s, he was always telling us that even then germany was doing far better than the UK ?
We only did it because we had a heap of help and Jerry over stretched him self .
 

farmerm

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Shropshire
Some teenage kid in his bedroom has just almost paralysed the American fuel network.

"War" in itself will change, those causing the disruption will be taken out either remotely or by a dozen folk dressed in black with a load of tech supporting them.

The days of mass slaughter are long gone.
I wouldn't be so sure, I think it will just be that those doing the slaughter will not be on the same battlefield as those being slaughter, dead are far less a problem that prisoners'.
 

J 1177

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What about convoy patrols, beltchley park, the navy keeping axis forces largely bottled up, keeping hitler from the middle east oil, keeping the med navigable with help from the good people of Malta.so much more.

Yes US and russian factories and lives won through, but we did much more than suggested

Some in here have become a little bbc, ashamed to be british
Aye and the raid on the dry dock at st nazire
Those on here playing down our role should be ashamed.
 

Tubbylew

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Herefordshire
Yes, but there are far too many Snowflake, Easily Offended people alive today - thus this world is doomed by its own lack of backbone..

If we continue pandering to all these muppets, it leaves massive voids in the ability to take the difficult decisions and act accordingly when the time comes, and I for one; wouldn't wish to face war etc with the modern incarnation of human beings!!!

I'm not certain there are that many more snowflakes, it just seems like there are because of the internet. Whats that saying about hard times creating strong men, strong men creating good times, good times creating weak men, weak men creating hard times, it's likely ever been thus.
 

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