2020 Clik and clik extra price

Farmer_Joe · May 25, 2021

just did ewe with 20ml of corvect to give them cover until i cant be arsed shearing them, less than recommended but i prob dont quite need the full cover time wise.

never used to have to do this but last few years its become std practise, 1 5l does em all so its not a shocker.

Will do lambs in a couple of weeks with click, its dear but has been extremely effective here so i do value it. It is a fair point that i could use crvoect when ive got them in for worming but its not particularly nice stuff i believe click is water based? certainly not a noxious as crovet.

Fendt516profi · May 25, 2021

Nithsdale Farmer said:
Yes. But 3 applications of Crovect/Ectofly/Vermasect is still cheaper than 1 application of Clik...

What price is this? Found a price online of £67+vat a 20ml dose works out at just under 27p a dose. Doing 3 applications works out at just over 80p a dose. Clik extra at price above works out just over 73p a dose. (20ml dose)

Gibbybox · May 25, 2021

neilo said:
To save starting another thread...

Has anyone found any cheap sources of these products this year? Cheapest I've been offered so far is £183 per 5L on Clik Extra.

Priced the two local suppliers as well as MVF as part of an annual order coming to £4.5k.

Two were £185 and one was £184.50 so very little variation, almost to the point that they are either making a tiny margin on it or have been told what minimum price to adhere to? Good to know what others have been quoted but I can live with being skinned for £1.50 a bottle

Nithsdale · May 25, 2021

Fendt516profi said:
What price is this? Found a price online of £67+vat a 20ml dose works out at just under 27p a dose. Doing 3 applications works out at just over 80p a dose. Clik extra at price above works out just over 73p a dose. (20ml dose)

IIRC £54 for 5l bottle last year. So 43p/lamb @ 40ml. I don't know the price this year yet.

If I were doing lambs now with ClikExtra, I'd need to be spraying at the 24ml rate I think - so that's about 90p(?) a dose. (But I won't be spraying anything for another 6-8 weeks... and I'll have a couple draws of lambs away by then without any spray costs

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Nithsdale · May 25, 2021

neilo said:
That's what I was led to believe too, but no generics available yet, unfortunately.

We're all still waiting for Vetrazin generics...

Poorbuthappy · May 25, 2021

Fendt516profi said:
What price is this? Found a price online of £67+vat a 20ml dose works out at just under 27p a dose. Doing 3 applications works out at just over 80p a dose. Clik extra at price above works out just over 73p a dose. (20ml dose)

Besides 3 lots of labour and gathering.

Fendt516profi · May 25, 2021

Poorbuthappy said:
Besides 3 lots of labour and gathering.

Well two extra lots and trying to find the weather windows and fitting clipping and baling in

Nithsdale · May 25, 2021

Poorbuthappy said:
Besides 3 lots of labour and gathering.

Fendt516profi said:
Well two extra lots and trying to find the weather windows and fitting clipping and baling in

Unless you time the job when you already have them in the pens (when taking a draw fat, say, or worming)... spraying lambs is a very quick job

Poorbuthappy · May 25, 2021

Nithsdale Farmer said:
Unless you time the job when you already have them in the pens (when taking a draw fat, say, or worming)... spraying lambs is a very quick job

Fair enough if you're having them in regularly. I don't tend to. Generally only wormed once through the summer, which is when I normally treat them.
I understand you're distain for Elanco and there predecessors, and I long for the generic products to be available. But here, where the challenge is high, I just can't get away from the fact clik is effective, and cost effective.

Nithsdale · May 25, 2021

Poorbuthappy said:
Fair enough if you're having them in regularly. I don't tend to. Generally only wormed once through the summer, which is when I normally treat them.
I understand you're distain for Elanco and there predecessors, and I long for the generic products to be available. But here, where the challenge is high, I just can't get away from the fact clik is effective, and cost effective.

Ah i'm certainly not knocking the product - it's actually very good. But as you say I don't think I've ever hid my hatred of Elanco

I avoid giving them my hard earned at all costs unless I really have no choice. As soon as a generic Clik or Vetrazin hits the market I will use it (if it's priced sensibly).

Maybe wrongly but I actually held Novartis in quite high regards... it's they who did all the hard work creating Dicyclanil and formulating the Fleecebind. Elanco are just profiteering pansies

Fendt516profi · May 25, 2021

Nithsdale Farmer said:
Ah i'm certainly not knocking the product - it's actually very good. But as you say I don't think I've ever hid my hatred of Elanco I avoid giving them my hard earned at all costs unless I really have no choice. As soon as a generic Clik or Vetrazin hits the market I will use it (if it's priced sensibly).

Maybe wrongly but I actually held Novartis in quite high regards... it's they who did all the hard work creating Dicyclanil and formulating the Fleecebind. Elanco are just profiteering pansies

Do you think clik is not priced right? If you would be using clik at 24ml for your lambs works out about 88p a lamb equivalent in crovect at last year's price you quoted would be 32p a lamb per time treated

Green farmer · May 25, 2021

Nithsdale Farmer said:
Yes. But 3 applications of Crovect/Ectofly/Vermasect is still cheaper than 1 application of Clik...

I know your not a fan of elanco, but that ectofly is nasty, nasty stuff. Be careful inhaling the mist and dont expect it to work either. Had numerous ewes struck with it on their backs before.

neilo · May 25, 2021

Green farmer said:
I know your not a fan of elanco, but that ectofly is nasty, nasty stuff. Be careful inhaling the mist and dont expect it to work either. Had numerous ewes struck with it on their backs before.

I assume @Nithsdale Farmer has a lower fly challenge than a lot, if he can get away with not treating for flies until mid-July, so perhaps Ectofly and the like is all that’s needed?

I’ve never had much joy with it, but I’ve not farmed up a draughty old hill.

Al R · May 25, 2021

£120 for clikzin

Fendt516profi · May 25, 2021

Al R said:
£120 for clikzin

What is the benefits of that over crovect

Green farmer · May 25, 2021

neilo said:
I assume @Nithsdale Farmer has a lower fly challenge than a lot, if he can get away with not treating for flies until mid-July, so perhaps Ectofly and the like is all that’s needed?

I’ve never had much joy with it, but I’ve not farmed up a draughty old hill.

Fair enough. I just get bad memories or that ectofly stuff. Remember spot treating struck sheep that were covered with it and scratching my head as to why it didnt work. Between the jigs and reels, didnt the fine mist get the skin of my arms and nearly burnt the arms off me.

Al R · May 25, 2021

Unsure really, it’s got a short withdrawal, isn’t as harsh but on the organic farm we can only use crovect for blowfly treatment not prevention, clikzin only for prevention and no clik/clik extra allowed.

Fendt516profi · May 25, 2021

Al R said:
Unsure really, it’s got a short withdrawal, isn’t as harsh but on the organic farm we can only use crovect for blowfly treatment not prevention, clikzin only for prevention and no clik/clik extra allowed.

At nearly double price I think all my lambs would have blowfly and need treatment. I know it has a shorter withdrawal but also shorter time of effectiveness so is just the same as crovect I believe. Organic is the answer to my question I suppose of why you were pricing that. Anything that looks like not been here in 6-8weeks is done with crovect and marked all the rest get clik extra sheep as a rule don't get anything clip late june/July then dip

Nithsdale · May 25, 2021

Fendt516profi said:
Do you think clik is not priced right? If you would be using clik at 24ml for your lambs works out about 88p a lamb equivalent in crovect at last year's price you quoted would be 32p a lamb per time treated

Their company model is to buy up all the other drugs companies with products still under license so they can have a monopoly. They then exploit the market with substantial, aggressive, price increases as the customer has not much alternative.

When they bought Janssen they hiked the price of 5l of Vecoxan from £340ish to £480 over a 12month period (a price it's been at pretty much ever since). They did it with Dectomax, Fasimec, Flukiver, Clik, Clikzin... and God knows what else!
The old companies were not selling these products at a loss!

If you're happy to give Elanco the green light to pull your trousers down, fair enough. But f**k them

Fendt516profi · May 25, 2021

Nithsdale Farmer said:
Their company model is to buy up all the other drugs companies with products still under license so they can have a monopoly. They then exploit the market with substantial, aggressive, price increases as the customer has not much alternative.

When they bought Janssen they hiked the price of Vecoxan from £340ish to £480 over a 12month period (a price it's been at pretty much ever since). They did it with Dectomax, Fasimec, Flukiver, Clik, Clikzin... and God knows what else!
The old companies were not selling these products at a loss!

If you're happy to give Elanco the green light to pull your trousers down, fair enough. But fudge them

Yes I see your point but I asked if you thought it was priced right. I'm assuming you don't. As I said previously I use 20ml per lamb clik extra at £183 ÷ 250 per bottle = 73.2p per lamb. Working on price you gave for last year at £54 ÷ 250 per bottle = 21.6p per lamb × treating them 3 times in season = 64.8p per lamb making it 8.4p per lamb less than clik but with 3 times more handling of sheep and pretty time critical to. So yes I will accept paying there hiked prices(my trousers pulled down) but as soon as there is another product that cover's as long and works and is cheaper then I'll take my money elsewhere

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