All of this is correct,the only drawback is that "the rules" rely on vendor/purchaser "maning up" & abiding by them, using the Auctioneers as Arbiter as such. However in reality if either squirms or starts lying or tells someone to FOF or the auctioneers send you a solicitors letter saying they were only acting as agents & under rule/clause number so & so they are "not liable for anything" ,take it up with the vendor then as someone said above "the rules" aren"t worth the paper they are written on.
Bull warranty.. Or not.
- Thread starter Estuarybeef
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Forever Fendt
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- Location
- Derbyshire
perhaps the vendor will be in touch now everyone on here knows who it is ,Obviously not his fault the bull isn't working but he's only as good as he sorts this problem out
- Location
- Cumbria
I’m not defending the vendor - I have said what I would do in either situation, vendor or purchaser. But, didn’t the vendor tell the op to see if the bull settles 6 cows? This is part of the breeding warranty so surely the vendor is playing buy the rules?
If the rules didn’t suit the purchasers situation, ie he hasn’t time to let the bull settle then why did he leave it until May to buy one and why did he buy at a sale under NBA rules?
Estuarybeef
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- Location
- Kent
Shook a man's hand on a deal off farm on the 1st of may for four bulls. After a lot of stalling 10 days later wanted to keep the best bull and replace it with a lesser bull but wanted same money still!? By which point I'd sold my current stock bulls to my neighbour.. short of leaving my neighbour in the lurch Carlisle was the option. All a bit last minute but wouldn't have entertained swapping bulls out that late in the year if it wasn't for the private deal off farm.
- Location
- Scottish Highlands
Interesting read. From my first glance, many of them are contradictory, but the following one stands out (Annex 1, 2nd bullet):
“The Purchaser should ensure that the bull is in normal breeding condition before use”.
I’d say we’ve reached that point and hit pause, agreed?
matthew
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- Cornwall, SW England
Nobody has mentioned the risk (to the cows) of allowing a bull with pus in his semen, anywhere near a breeding cow just to see if any wrigglers make it..
That seems a pretty foolhardy thing to do.
That seems a pretty foolhardy thing to do.
- Location
- Cumbria
Yep, and so we go back to my first post. Would you fanny on with the vendor over this? given the bull could probably be killed now for £2000 leaving you not much more than the price of a good steer out of pocket. As I said, draw stumps and don’t buy a bull from him again.
Most bulls I sell in that price range, when offered insurance the purchasers usually say ‘no, for that money we will take a chance’
- Location
- Scottish Highlands
That's why we have courts?
Not taking sides but what's gone wrong with our industry that vendor and purchaser can't get together and come to an amicable agreement?
The value or how the bull was bought is irrelevant ,he was sold to breed.
I'm no veterinary expert but I wouldn't be putting him with 6 of my cows when he could POSSIBLY infect them with whatever he has
The value or how the bull was bought is irrelevant ,he was sold to breed.
I'm no veterinary expert but I wouldn't be putting him with 6 of my cows when he could POSSIBLY infect them with whatever he has
fieldfarmer
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Can't believe what I've just read, I genuinely hope you don't sell Bulls.
betweenthelines
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- southwest
Am I the only one who thinks we haven't got the full story.
Bull was bought at a Sale but not through the ring. Buyer "needed" several bulls at short notice after a deal for one bull fell through and the "only option" was a sale at the other end of the Country, vendor disputes a vet's opinion plus other things that seem odd to say the least.
Bull was bought at a Sale but not through the ring. Buyer "needed" several bulls at short notice after a deal for one bull fell through and the "only option" was a sale at the other end of the Country, vendor disputes a vet's opinion plus other things that seem odd to say the least.
Estuarybeef
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- Kent
Sale for four bulls fell through. Full story ask me anything you like.
TheRanger
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- Location
- SW Scotland
Carlisle is historically one of the biggest and best bull sales in the country, not unusual for people to travel from all over the UK and Ireland to attend. You'd think they'd want to try and do their best to keep that good reputation, and help mediate this situation to a suitable conclusion.
you may think that and I have never been there but this isn't the first story of this nature to come up about bulls bought from there and it seems they are not to bothered about helping
- Location
- Fife
Did you breed the bull?
Fortunately Not ! I am too tied up trying to get my Limousin Bulls away to good homes
sheep breeder
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Any man that travels to a bull sale and buys 5 bulls on the day at what ever the price is his business, the sale of the 5 bulls on the day was a help to the mart and the society to the averages sold. If the bull is wrong he is no good to the purchaser who bought the bull to work cows and is bad form. In the pedigree world your stock is only as good as your word and if your not willing to stand over an animal sold it doesn’t be long spreading wide and far. But to say the buyer should suck it up and take the loss and put it down to experience, says a lot about the person.
- Location
- North of Perth
So if this happened to you.guess you wouldn't be taking the bull back then?
Aye,but if he bought it it would be a different story methinks.
Obviously not.