Sheep
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- Location
- Northern Ireland
Offer to pay an annual/rental fee for a fence to be put there. You never know. No issue with someone 'claiming' land is theirs then.
Access to home via farm track
- Thread starter PAAB
- Start date
Have you asked about putting up a fence
- Location
- Yorkshire
It's our land our sheep
- Location
- Carmarthenshire, West Wales
I remember asking the solicitor, if the owner of a track put gates on it, and expected someone with a right of access to open and shut gates while using the track, would that be considered an obstruction of the rights of way, and the solicitor said no, a judge would consider opening and closing a gate to be fine and not an obstruction to a right of way.
kiwi pom
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- Location
- canterbury NZ
They would gain a fenced off paddock, so there would be no worry about what happened to the stock if someone accidentally left the gate open.
Sounds like rough grazing to me so not much use for machinery.
If it was my land or my sheep I certainly would not rely on the fact that someone kept a drive gate way closed, to keep them in the paddock. I might consider a cattlegrid but would probably either put up a permanent fence or a temporary one, while stock were in the paddock.
Common sense to me but maybe not to others.
- Location
- Hertfordshire
I suspect the property was bought for a price that reflects the fact it’s at the end of a long and rough track through a field and which is only a right of way with no ownership rights.
The OP is looking to alter this arrangement by enclosing the track. This will add value to his or her property by making it more desirable to potential purchasers.
When we are approached by householders with similar requests we estimate the uplift in value and charge 50% of it. This way both parties win.
I suspect that if the OP went to the farmer and made an offer in this region, he or she may get a more favourable response.
The OP is looking to alter this arrangement by enclosing the track. This will add value to his or her property by making it more desirable to potential purchasers.
When we are approached by householders with similar requests we estimate the uplift in value and charge 50% of it. This way both parties win.
I suspect that if the OP went to the farmer and made an offer in this region, he or she may get a more favourable response.
primmiemoo
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- Location
- Devon
Ye deities, there are jobsworths in farming, too! How have I never noticed this! 
[Editing to add, because I was reminded of this by someone who knew the details: One of my grandfathers had shared lane access to reach his fields. He had a written agreement for upkeeps with the other party who was an incomer that was between the named incomer, and grandfather (including grandpa's grazier whomsoever that might be). The agreement ended when the incomer party moved, and a new one was drawn up with the new party.
Also, personally, (not that this really counts towards anything), if I were the farming neighbour, I would politely decline about fences. Gates aren't much hassle, and it wasn't that long ago that there were gates across the Queen's Highway that road users had to open and close on their journeys.
I would co-operate in neighbourly fashion to take my roller along the OP's mended track, though. Had I had cause to object to the mending, the OP would have heard about it in no uncertain terms by now. ]
[Editing to add, because I was reminded of this by someone who knew the details: One of my grandfathers had shared lane access to reach his fields. He had a written agreement for upkeeps with the other party who was an incomer that was between the named incomer, and grandfather (including grandpa's grazier whomsoever that might be). The agreement ended when the incomer party moved, and a new one was drawn up with the new party.
Also, personally, (not that this really counts towards anything), if I were the farming neighbour, I would politely decline about fences. Gates aren't much hassle, and it wasn't that long ago that there were gates across the Queen's Highway that road users had to open and close on their journeys.
I would co-operate in neighbourly fashion to take my roller along the OP's mended track, though. Had I had cause to object to the mending, the OP would have heard about it in no uncertain terms by now. ]
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buffalo_soldier
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- Location
- cumbria
Dunno if the op is still reading but you're very unlikely to alter boundaries for a variety of reasons.
The track issue is probably solvable just depends how deep your pockets are.
I've had this several ways over the years and have a current dispute ongoing, as will several posters on this thread I suspect.
For example, I remember one I had to do to get a change of vehicular access, solicitors bill for that part was £3k and the track owner got £10k signing fee. Seemed a huge amount at the time just for signing a bit of fancily headed paper.
The track issue is probably solvable just depends how deep your pockets are.
I've had this several ways over the years and have a current dispute ongoing, as will several posters on this thread I suspect.
For example, I remember one I had to do to get a change of vehicular access, solicitors bill for that part was £3k and the track owner got £10k signing fee. Seemed a huge amount at the time just for signing a bit of fancily headed paper.
- Location
- Carmarthenshire, West Wales
I am sure, when the property was marketed and sold the access would have been factored into the price asked, so improving the access especially by fencing and removing gates would give a large increase in value to the cottage owner with no benefit to the field owner, in fact having altered field boundaries, I know what a pain it is to have to get the maps altered and new parcel numbers issued.
betweenthelines
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- Location
- southwest
As I've said before, why do the general public treat farmers like a soft touch?
If the OP lived in a town and the access to his house was across a neighbour's property, would he expect the neighbour to let him fence off (in effect, create a private road) the access?
No, of course not! But because it's "just a field with a few sheep" the farmer-being a country bumpkin- should let him do whatever he wants.
And if the farmer doesn't play ball, just go on the internet, and spin a bit of a sob story to a few more yokels in order to get some ideas about how to pressure the farmer into giving in.
I think TFF is great, apert from two things:
Hobbyists who come on here offering "free pest control" when what they really want is somewhere free to play with their penis substitute guns.
People like the OP who have a dispute with a rural neighbour, and come on TFF with half the story trying to find out how to put one over the neighbour-then moan and sulk when people see through their games.
I mean, c'mon-sheep dung is ruining the access to my house- how believable is that?
If the OP lived in a town and the access to his house was across a neighbour's property, would he expect the neighbour to let him fence off (in effect, create a private road) the access?
No, of course not! But because it's "just a field with a few sheep" the farmer-being a country bumpkin- should let him do whatever he wants.
And if the farmer doesn't play ball, just go on the internet, and spin a bit of a sob story to a few more yokels in order to get some ideas about how to pressure the farmer into giving in.
I think TFF is great, apert from two things:
Hobbyists who come on here offering "free pest control" when what they really want is somewhere free to play with their penis substitute guns.
People like the OP who have a dispute with a rural neighbour, and come on TFF with half the story trying to find out how to put one over the neighbour-then moan and sulk when people see through their games.
I mean, c'mon-sheep dung is ruining the access to my house- how believable is that?
PAAB
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- Location
- South-West
So, despite having said I wouldn't comment further, I feel the need to reply to the last post.
See attached photo - this is one nights shi*e. Would you not want to try and prevent this on your track and reach a solution that works for all parties? I guess not many of you have to drive through shi*te everytime you leave your home, whether that be on foot or by vehicle.
And dont bother replying with just move home or you know what you were getting into etc. We CAN and will live with it but would choose not too if that was possible in this situation
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- Location
- North Wales
It would be worse it it was dog sh!t.
Storeman
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- Location
- South East Englandshire
Ha ha, a couple of bits over what size area?
FFS, get real.
Welcome to the countryside, where sh1te happens
.PS you do realise it's just digested Grass?
Goweresque
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- Location
- North Wilts
Lol. You've come to the wrong place to moan about driving through a little bit of livestock shite, plenty of people on here pretty much wade through it for 6 months of the year.
Also loving the fact you still think its 'your' track
Cowabunga
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- Location
- Ceredigion,Wales
Farmer would be well advised NOT to allow a fence to be erected. Just like allowing someone access would eventually create a legal right of access, it could be that permission to erect a fence would eventually turn into a legal right to a boundary fence on the wrong side of the lane.
- Location
- Carmarthenshire, West Wales
I think a lot of people share an access with animals, I guess part and parcel of living in the middle of a "factory without a roof"
Cowabunga
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- Location
- Ceredigion,Wales
The fact is though that it isn't your track. You only have right of access using a lane through a field that contains grass and grazing livestock. Shït is a natural consequence and the road to my farm is owned by the County Council and gets covered in shït for seven months of the year from cows coming to and from milking. Welcome to the countryside!
Since you object to it, you obviously live in the wrong place and it is you that has to adapt, nobody or nothing else.
primmiemoo
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- Location
- Devon
It makes a very good organic liquid fertiliser for the garden and allotment. Dung from livestock is clean, as mentioned above. It isn't like dog muck ~ or human muck, for that matter.
It wasn't long ago that every village, and even towns and cities had livestock walked through them regularly. Skirts were brushed, gaiters were dubbined, and boots and shoes kept clean as a normal part of life.
It wasn't long ago that every village, and even towns and cities had livestock walked through them regularly. Skirts were brushed, gaiters were dubbined, and boots and shoes kept clean as a normal part of life.
kiwi pom
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- Location
- canterbury NZ
There must already be a right of access, if its the only way to the house?
It wouldn't be a boundary fence it would be an internal fence as there seems to already be a boundary on the other side of the track - the farm may even own the land on the other side - and the farm owns the track but fair enough if the farmer doesn't want to put one up they don't have to. The OP just has to accept it.
As I said up thread, relying on someone to keep an access gate closed to prevent stock escaping seems bad practice to me.
Doesn't seem to bother the farmers on here though.