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warksfarmer · Jun 13, 2021

So that’s it then for U.K. farming. Words like building back better greener etc. Throw in ELMS, brexit and new trade agreements.
Value of farmland halves. Banks call in debts. Half of land owned by banks who will sell it to the government. Discuss.

ski · Jun 13, 2021

warksfarmer said:
So that’s it then for U.K. farming. Words like building back better greener etc. Throw in ELMS, brexit and new trade agreements.
Value of farmland halves. Banks call in debts. Half of land owned by banks who will sell it to the government. Discuss.

I said on another thread, history has been forgotten or worse re-interpreted, we are so far gone that lessons need to be learned (by us all). The Benedictine option is now the right choice.

Bald Rick · Jun 13, 2021

Probably have more luck finding the G Spot than comprehending this government and its pathway tbh ...

Cowabunga · Jun 13, 2021

Bald Rick said:
Probably have more luck finding the G Spot than comprehending this government and its pathway tbh ...

Make way!

Bald Rick · Jun 13, 2021

Cowabunga said:
Make way!

Well known that ducks are dirty feeders .....

turbo · Jun 13, 2021

warksfarmer said:
So that’s it then for U.K. farming. Words like building back better greener etc. Throw in ELMS, brexit and new trade agreements.
Value of farmland halves. Banks call in debts. Half of land owned by banks who will sell it to the government. Discuss.

Sell up now if that’s what you think is going to happen, I won’t be because I see a bright future for uk ag

bobk · Jun 13, 2021

warksfarmer said:
So that’s it then for U.K. farming. Words like building back better greener etc. Throw in ELMS, brexit and new trade agreements.
Value of farmland halves. Banks call in debts. Half of land owned by banks who will sell it to the government. Discuss.

And what's the bad news .

Goweresque · Jun 13, 2021

Reality has a way of making politicians plans look a bit stupid. One suspects the opposite outcome to your scenario is equally possible. Governments everywhere are printing money like water, its entirely possible that commodities (being real things in limited supply) will rise significantly in price as a result. We could be in for an era where commodity prices are rising fast, people end up paying an increasing proportion of income for their food, and farming becomes profitable without subsidy or environmental payments.

bobk · Jun 13, 2021

Goweresque said:
Reality has a way of making politicians plans look a bit stupid. One suspects the opposite outcome to your scenario is equally possible. Governments everywhere are printing money like water, its entirely possible that commodities (being real things in limited supply) will rise significantly in price as a result. We could be in for an era where commodity prices are rising fast, people end up paying an increasing proportion of income for their food, and farming becomes profitable without subsidy or environmental payments.

Reports of our demise has been predicted for the last 200 years .

Derrick Hughes · Jun 13, 2021

turbo said:
Sell up now if that’s what you think is going to happen, I won’t be because I see a bright future for uk ag

I like positive , better that the Doomsday crowd anyway

Goweresque · Jun 13, 2021

I have to say I feel quite positive for farming's future. I feel that we have reached the high water mark of globalisation and unilateral free trade, and the future history books will mark the covid crisis as the point at which the West stopped careering headlong towards exporting jobs and productive capacity, and importing everything and started prioritising homegrown production and security of supply. Too much of Western lifestyles and entire economic models are predicated on being able to get cheaper stuff from abroad for ever. I don't think Western politicians have quite realised yet what an unstable edifice they have created, and the covid crisis is just first hefty shove the house of cards is going to get in the next few years. China is throwing its weight around, as up and coming nations are wont to do, and the current World Power (the USA) is not going to relinquish its Top Nation position without a fight, either literally or economically. At some point the 2 are going to lock horns in a big way, and when they do, its not going to do world trade a lot of good. Which frankly can only be good for domestic food producers in countries that import a lot of food.

kiwi pom · Jun 13, 2021

warksfarmer said:
So that’s it then for U.K. farming. Words like building back better greener etc. Throw in ELMS, brexit and new trade agreements.
Value of farmland halves. Banks call in debts. Half of land owned by banks who will sell it to the government. Discuss.

Have you put your farm up for sale?

Old apprentice · Jun 13, 2021

If all the so called re wilding gets under way the food prodiction will drop there is on masI've reserves about a few poorerror world harvests and all the silly stuff out of the window . A small temp rise and food producation will be precarious. Rewildingoing utter ridicules . Get Alan Savery to explain how to get arid areas into production. The bl bbc want educating sic of them knoking british agriculture they are way to far removed from proper life and farming .

warksfarmer · Jun 14, 2021

turbo said:
Sell up now if that’s what you think is going to happen, I won’t be because I see a bright future for uk ag

Go on then what’s the bright future you speak of when this countries cost of production is stupidly high compared to other countries?

ajd132 · Jun 14, 2021

warksfarmer said:
Go on then what’s the bright future you speak of when this countries cost of production is stupidly high compared to other countries?

It doesn’t need to be

BrianV · Jun 14, 2021

All these moronic idiots that try to pretend that farmers are ruining our country should board a train from Paddington to Penzance , they would then realise that we have the most beautiful diverse country anywhere in the world. More trees than you can imagine, beautiful small fields & endless habitats for wildlife. Far too much notice is taken of ignorant fools who fail to see what’s in front of their eyes!
Leave London & see the real world we live in!

turbo · Jun 14, 2021

warksfarmer said:
Go on then what’s the bright future you speak of when this countries cost of production is stupidly high compared to other countries?

Are they though?60 million mouths to feed on our doorstep and the cost of freight going through the roof that’s just one positive of the top of my head

warksfarmer · Jun 14, 2021

turbo said:
Are they though?60 million mouths to feed on our doorstep and the cost of freight going through the roof that’s just one positive of the top of my head

The cost of shipping is irrelevant in this and the country will pay whatever it costs. These trade deals are just that. We are trading goods for goods.

The U.K. is exporting scientific know how in the main in return for incoming food.

delilah · Jun 14, 2021

Goweresque said:
I have to say I feel quite positive for farming's future. I feel that we have reached the high water mark of globalisation and unilateral free trade, and the future history books will mark the covid crisis as the point at which the West stopped careering headlong towards exporting jobs and productive capacity, and importing everything and started prioritising homegrown production and security of supply.

If there is to be a future, it will be local. Which may, or may not, benefit folks on here. The cartel can quite easily hijack localism and sell their version of it to the politicians and the public. It all depends on how quickly farming wakes up to who its allies are and works with them to deliver a localism that includes them.

Tarw Coch · Jun 14, 2021

BrianV said:
All these moronic idiots that try to pretend that farmers are ruining our country should board a train from Paddington to Penzance , they would then realise that we have the most beautiful diverse country anywhere in the world. More trees than you can imagine, beautiful small fields & endless habitats for wildlife. Far too much notice is taken of ignorant fools who fail to see what’s in front of their eyes!
Leave London & see the real world we live in!

Absolutely, I’ve been thinking the same, I don’t get out and about that far but over the last month or so I’ve been on some longer journeys over to Lincolnshire, to Swindon and Oxfordshire and practically all I’ve seen is the British countryside in its splendid glory, all that is apart from where man is ripping it up but it’s not farmers doing that.

We are very lucky to live in such a beautiful country with weather which on the whole and despite our grumbles as farmers lends itself to excellent growing conditions
Those who can not see it must be.........,...,...I don’t know, stupid, ignorant thick, I really don’t know

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