Cost of rent per acre

andybk

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Mendips Somerset
without BPS (owner claiming) £30-50ac with bps £70-100ac . your paying through the nose , but you may need to to get your foot in the door , keep your stock in be a good neighbour your will prob get offered better and cheaper grazing down the line often free to keep tidy , but they aint going to let cowboys in without history
 

icanshootwell

Member
Location
Ross-on-wye
how do people make it pay by renting agricultral land at those figures for either growing agricultural crops or keeping farm animals? at least if your paying off a morgage you will own something that will go up? abit like people who spend there life in a council house when they could have bought it years ago with a large discount, no point in paying landlords long term or for ever unless you have a chance at buying, thats my point anyway?
We used to rent grass miles away, hauling stock around the countryside, bloody joke when i think back, all the stock stays at home now and the ground has improved no end, why pay some one rent to fertilize there ground. I know some farmers that buy store cattle to put on grass they have also rented in, good luck with that money making enterprise, busy fools or they love loosing money.
 
It's a difficult one. Will depend on who you know, who knows you and what the land/landowners are like generally. I know farmers who were nearly asked to take land on for not much rent at all because the owners knew they would look after it. This is the complete opposite of the mindset where you rent land out for growing maize and it's £200/acre minimum.
 

Estate fencing.

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Livestock Farmer
I rent land all-round the cotswolds (so not far from you). My rent is anything from them paying me to graze un fenced and un watered land that needs spraying and topping once a year, to £120 acre of very good land that I claim the BPS on but to keep on top of weed control and fences (so that is only £30 acre). I would average £20 acre over all. There is no real demand in this area, except for the Welsh tack grazers that have come and gone in the last couple of years leaving a mess, dead sheep and everyone un payed! Reliable grazers are wanted in this are to graze the mini estates that people have bought.
 

bluebell

Member
tell me how can you take on say the 2,500 acres thats up for rent, pay the sort of rent that is been talked about ? finance the growing of the crop, crops? machinery etc etc etc, plus all the worry of meeting the payments with the weather again etc etc ?
 

bluebell

Member
i looked at a block of grazing 90 odd acres a few years ago run by the wildlife trust? wanted me to put some cattle on it to try to keep the vegetation down? had a look with my brother, soon decided it wasnt for us, riddled with public footpaths, dog walkers? litter all the risk was on us, if animals attacked the public, what if the public, dogs, attacked the cows? i could see that the land if not managed would soon become a fire, attackers paradise? only way i could see that it would work is if they paid someone to graze manage it? think in the end they have got their own animals, costs ten times more now, but hey how they have money to waste?
 

andybk

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Mendips Somerset
tell me how can you take on say the 2,500 acres thats up for rent, pay the sort of rent that is been talked about ? finance the growing of the crop, crops? machinery etc etc etc, plus all the worry of meeting the payments with the weather again etc etc ?
who knows , money laundering maybe lol , some people have different reasons and ways to farm and seem to make money at it .
 

teslacoils

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire
tell me how can you take on say the 2,500 acres thats up for rent, pay the sort of rent that is been talked about ? finance the growing of the crop, crops? machinery etc etc etc, plus all the worry of meeting the payments with the weather again etc etc ?

If the fields are parcelled into 5ha chunks using white topped posts, you could put the whole lot into wild bird food with supplimenrary feeding and get £400/AC plus bps for drilling it every other year, and putting some food out. Bit of nice shooting, and summer on the coast. Just a thought.
 

Hesstondriver

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Huntingdon
i have just inquired about 14 acres of grazing in the village which would be handy for us. so i asked a few questions to the agent the last of which was 'how much'?

and she replied £350 (quick head maths made it circa £30/acre whilst she drew a breath , and then added "per month" :oops: :ROFLMAO: 🤬🤬:finger::finger:.

i make that £300 / acre year. what planet are these agents on
 

teslacoils

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire
i have just inquired about 14 acres of grazing in the village which would be handy for us. so i asked a few questions to the agent the last of which was 'how much'?

and she replied £350 (quick head maths made it circa £30/acre whilst she drew a breath , and then added "per month" :oops: :ROFLMAO: 🤬🤬:finger::finger:.

i make that £300 / acre year. what planet are these agents on

To be fair it would make that for horses. I let 2.5ac out for a grand a year. And could have found six more to do the same.
 

D14

Member
Hi
I am looking to rent land for cattle and sheep and have very little clue about how much I should be paying per acre per year. I’ve been told I’m paying a lot at the moment and heard very contradicting things!
I am based in Gloucestershire/ Wiltshire so was wondering if anyone could give me a ball park figure on prices as I’m looking to move
Thankyou!

Got some grass rented out for £180/acre/year and we keep the BPS. The renter can then do whatever he wants with it in terms of silage, hay, grazing etc. He fertilisers it and does all the work.
 

ReeceJ

Member
Horticulture
We're in a West Yorkshire city being offered a 2.5 acre field at £100 per acre per month to set up a market garden business. We've calculated that that's around 10 times the FBT rate that DEFRA publish. It has a great location - almost suburban but surrounded by open space and with road access. but no water on site and the electricity meter would need 100 metres of armoured cable to reach the field. We believe the landlord is open to negotiation but we're struggling to come up with a fair offer based on the location. Would appreciate suggestions and comparative prices. Thanks !
 

Highland Mule

Member
Livestock Farmer
We're in a West Yorkshire city being offered a 2.5 acre field at £100 per acre per month to set up a market garden business. We've calculated that that's around 10 times the FBT rate that DEFRA publish. It has a great location - almost suburban but surrounded by open space and with road access. but no water on site and the electricity meter would need 100 metres of armoured cable to reach the field. We believe the landlord is open to negotiation but we're struggling to come up with a fair offer based on the location. Would appreciate suggestions and comparative prices. Thanks !

I'm not sure that there are many suburban market gardeners on this forum although if I recall correctly @renewablejohn might have an insight?

It's certainly going to be different from agricultural rates though. You might also want to check if the field have planning permission for market gardening.
 

Al R

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
West Wales
You also have to bear in mind the amount of weeds/plastics and other sh!te that small gardeners leave around. Place near me we get fields covered in plant pots, compost bags, watering cans just to mention a few items.
 

Kidds

Member
Horticulture
We're in a West Yorkshire city being offered a 2.5 acre field at £100 per acre per month to set up a market garden business. We've calculated that that's around 10 times the FBT rate that DEFRA publish. It has a great location - almost suburban but surrounded by open space and with road access. but no water on site and the electricity meter would need 100 metres of armoured cable to reach the field. We believe the landlord is open to negotiation but we're struggling to come up with a fair offer based on the location. Would appreciate suggestions and comparative prices. Thanks !
It is a bit steep in price but doable. Lack of water supply is a big obstacle, you need fresh water to wash your hands at the very least. You also needs toilets and shed storage space somewhere. Onsite storage is fairly essential unless you propose to cart in all your daily needs every day, any storage also needs to be extra secure if you are suburban.
It would probably make more sense to get a less suburban site with a lower rent, water and storage area. Not easy to come by but not a reason to take an unsuitable site.
 

Flat 10

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Fen Edge
how do people make it pay by renting agricultral land at those figures for either growing agricultural crops or keeping farm animals? at least if your paying off a morgage you will own something that will go up? abit like people who spend there life in a council house when they could have bought it years ago with a large discount, no point in paying landlords long term or for ever unless you have a chance at buying, thats my point anyway?
Because if we want to farm we have to. Not easy to get a 10% deposit on a multi million pound farm.
 

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